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Contact tracing, Smartphones, Google and Apple...

Posted on 06/09/2020 11:17:40 AM PDT by dhs12345

Sounds like contact tracing is right around the corner and our Big Brother friends, Google and Apple, are planning help facilitate tracking our activities via our smartphones.

Just curious if anyone has considered dumping the smartphone for a simple flip phone. I presume that my position can still be traced via the triangulation cell tower network but that resolution is limited. However since the simple phones don't have a GPS chip and "smart" capabilities, detailed positioning and track is not as easily available to Big Brother.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: contacttracing; cowerinfear; donthurtmee; googleandapple; hideinahole; imafraid; poosee; qanon; romanesqueer; scaredweenie; smartphones
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To: dhs12345

Actually you’re VERY MUCH in the group that never learns. Multiple people on this thread have explained to you how full of crap you are. You won’t listen. You’re paranoid. You’re silly. You’re making up reasons to be scared.

If that’s what you believed 8 months ago then you had clearly not bothered to understand what emergency powers are, and what government can do with them. Once again, your ignorance. None of what happened with covid is new. Not even new for dealing with a disease.

So now you’ve found out what your government has been able to do literally all your life, and the lives of every person you’ve ever met. And you’re making up more crap to freak out about.

You already give the government tons of information about you. Probably 20 times more than they could ever want. You don’t realize it. But it’s true. We live in a big data world. Have for a long time. 25 years ago Target could figure out within a couple of weeks if a repeat customer was pregnant based just on how the hormonal changes alter their buying habits even before they find out their pregnant. Think about all the data analysis that goes into even being able to detect that pattern.

We are in a post privacy world. Have been since at least the 80s. And there really is not a damn thing you can do about it. Unless you want to become a mountain man living entirely on 19th century technology and having basically no interaction with any business at all.


41 posted on 06/09/2020 12:32:25 PM PDT by discostu (I know that's a bummer baby, but it's got precious little to do with me)
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To: dhs12345

They do actually. That’s how software works.


42 posted on 06/09/2020 12:32:55 PM PDT by discostu (I know that's a bummer baby, but it's got precious little to do with me)
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To: dhs12345

A little. But not much. Triangulation from cell towers could give you within 10 feet, you just have to do the math. All GPS really is is triangulation. Of course given the limited range of 5G they almost don’t even need to triangulate anymore. One antenna gives your location within 1500 feet, then you transfer to another, boom.

Privacy doesn’t exist anymore. You’ll do better when you remember that.


43 posted on 06/09/2020 12:35:48 PM PDT by discostu (I know that's a bummer baby, but it's got precious little to do with me)
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To: discostu
Agreed. I know. I have been using a credit card for many years now.

The smartphones can very easily track us and who we talk to.

And the internet... the ISPs keep a log of all traffic.

I know.

What is the difference? Not that the information is being compiled as you have noted, and has been for decades.

What is different is that we have become complacent and have accepted that our data can be used however the powers that be chose without our say.

It is this complacency that has allowed it to happen.

You are as complacent as they come... you have drunk the koolaid, my friend.

Instead of accepting is as fact, you need to ask... can you trust the powers that be with this information? It may be too late. I, for one, will not make it easy for them to track my activities. They'll have people like you who accept it as a done deal and make it easy for them.

44 posted on 06/09/2020 12:48:23 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: blackdog

Do you have a favorite brand?


45 posted on 06/09/2020 12:49:27 PM PDT by nutmeg (Mega prayers for Rush Limbaugh)
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To: discostu
Understand.

And cellphone triangulation requires nearby cellphone towers. GPS... only a good los of the constellation for logging of position.

So your position can be logged when you are out in the wilds away from civilization and a cellphone network.

46 posted on 06/09/2020 12:50:41 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

We might as well become complacent. There is NOTHING you can about it.

Actually what allowed it to happen was computers. And nobody realizing what being able to do math fast means. Frankly a lot of the data that they use goes back a long way. Credit cards go back to the 40s. But with hand processed data there was no useful way to track person X’s buying history and what that meant, much less compare it to 1 million OTHER Xs and find an overall pattern.

We’ve been generating some of this data for over 100 years. The Sears Catalog was generating this data. But again, no computers to leverage it.

Doesn’t matter what I trust. This is the reality we live in. Has been for a long time. Rail against the wind all you want, wind don’t care.


47 posted on 06/09/2020 12:53:45 PM PDT by discostu (I know that's a bummer baby, but it's got precious little to do with me)
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To: dhs12345

Have you looked at a Verizon coverage map lately? Pretty much the entire country is within celltower triangulation. If they want.


48 posted on 06/09/2020 12:55:00 PM PDT by discostu (I know that's a bummer baby, but it's got precious little to do with me)
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To: dhs12345

Turn location off, turn Airplane mode on, then hit Off.


49 posted on 06/09/2020 12:59:47 PM PDT by mumblypeg
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To: discostu
I know.

For the first time ever, we submitted our taxes electronically. For the longest time, I refused the electronic option simply because I know that it takes longer for the IRS to calculate your taxes if it is paper only, human readable only. Best would be hand written.

Anyway, I did pick up a true GPS unit so that I can toss the smartphone if needed. The GPS unit is isolated from the world unless I chose to connect it. So I do still have some privacy. GPS units have become less common these days. Displaced by smartphones. Interesting trend in technology. Ironically, my smartphone does a better job of getting my location than my smartphone sometimes. Probably a combination of cellphone triangulation and GPS.

Anyway, I am going to continue fighting and resisting. I may be the only one and I do believe that if there were more people like me, there would be less of it. At least, they'd be less obvious and carefree about it.

50 posted on 06/09/2020 1:25:26 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: discostu
I have tmobile. Not in the montains where I live. Or in the remote parts of the country.

Depends on if you are near a major interstate highway. And yes, there are even areas along the interstates where coverage is bad.

51 posted on 06/09/2020 1:27:25 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: mumblypeg

Thanks.


52 posted on 06/09/2020 1:27:44 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

Why make the IRS take longer? What did you think you were accomplishing with that silliness? Especially since OCR software was invented like in the 90s and your returns were probably actually being scanned anyway.

Why do you think they give a damn where you are? You inconvenience yourself to accomplish what exactly? I mean you’re probably home, or at work, and they already know where both of those are.

You’re spitting in the wind. Privacy died, quietly, and unsurprisingly alone, in the 80s. Your belief is wrong. As I pointed out. We got on this path in the 1890s. Your “rebellion” is pointless masturbation accomplishing nothing. There will NEVER be less of it, as computing power increases there will only be MORE. More data, collected more minutely, hashed more accurately, giving “them” more of an understanding.


53 posted on 06/09/2020 1:32:22 PM PDT by discostu (I know that's a bummer baby, but it's got precious little to do with me)
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To: dhs12345

Not much use having a cellphone that doesn’t work at home. Of course that probably means you have a landline too, so all your obfuscation comes to naught. Sure there’s spots, but part of those spots with bad coverage is there ain’t much there. If there was much there it would include a cell tower. So nobody really cares if you’re where there’s nothing. You’ll get out eventually.


54 posted on 06/09/2020 1:34:02 PM PDT by discostu (I know that's a bummer baby, but it's got precious little to do with me)
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To: discostu
No, OCR is not 100%. Actually, it is pretty bad sometimes. And guess what happens when a character or a series of characters are misread? A human being has to correct it.

So submitting your taxes electronically means that the IRS will find errors in a fraction of a second. You mentioned the computer thing, correct? It is still our right to submit a paper tax return so do it.

See, this is my point about complacency. Thank you for making it easy for the powers that be (and other bad people). Like leaving your doors unlocked to your house, a burglar is more likely to enter your home than mine when mine is locked.

Oh, and it isn't just the government but hackers and other bad people that like your complacency.

Thank you!!!

55 posted on 06/09/2020 1:55:59 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: discostu
No, has nothing to do with my home. You don't understand. But that is okay.

You have drunk the koolaid. Keep thinking the way you do. You'll be the weak animal in the herd that the lions go after.

56 posted on 06/09/2020 1:59:09 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

OCR just gets better. It’s better at reading my handwriting than I am. But again WHO CARES?! What do you think your accomplishing? Sure it’s your right, but you’re not doing it because it’s your right. You’re seeing it as some sort of rebellion, that might actually accomplish something. And I’m asking WHAT? What the blazes do you think it really matters that if the IRS has to give your tax return to some intern to type in?

It’s not complacency. You’re just being a pointless rebel. I understand to an extent. I was like that as a teenager. Flipped off the camera in the ATM all the time. But then you know what I did? I grew the hell up.

You keep jerking off with this complacency meme of yours. But you can point to nothing your “rebellion” does. WHAT DO YOU ACCOMPLISH?


57 posted on 06/09/2020 2:01:43 PM PDT by discostu (I know that's a bummer baby, but it's got precious little to do with me)
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To: dhs12345

So explain it. What do you accomplish? All I see is that you inconvenience yourself and think that’s rebellion. You’re the only one drinking koolaid here. Addicted to “stick it to the man” hollow gestures. You’re the weak animal, paranoid and pointlessly shivering in the mountains.


58 posted on 06/09/2020 2:02:59 PM PDT by discostu (I know that's a bummer baby, but it's got precious little to do with me)
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To: discostu
But it is not perfect. And it has to be perfect. Correct?! CORRECT???? Let me repeat, CORRECT???

Is the IRS going to force a person into an audit because a O looked like a 0? Heck no.

No, no rebellion. Just not making it easy. Lemme guess, you keep your doors to your house unlocked. Because burglars will break in anyway.

You are a fool. But that is okay. Keep doing what you are doing.

59 posted on 06/09/2020 2:09:34 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

What the hell are you on about. Who said anything about perfect?

And you still won’t answer the simple question:
WHAT ARE YOU ACCOMPLISHING?


60 posted on 06/09/2020 2:12:06 PM PDT by discostu (I know that's a bummer baby, but it's got precious little to do with me)
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