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To: montanajoe
If the folks in the South would have picked their own damn cotton we would be far better off today...

The last slaves were freed in the North. The Emancipation Proclamation only freed Southern slaves, and that was after the South had already left congress. But yes, importing blacks was the worst decision ever made.
15 posted on 06/03/2020 4:35:58 AM PDT by golux (In Memory of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom)
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To: golux

“The last slaves were freed in the North.’

Partially true. When the XIII Amendment was ratified it freed the slaves in Kentucky and Delaware. It also freed the slaves in Tidewater Virginia, coastal North & South Carolina and 13 Parishes in Louisiana. These areas were under Union occupation on January 1 1963 and were exempted in the Emancipation Proclamation.


16 posted on 06/03/2020 5:04:40 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: golux; rockrr; x; montanajoe; jeffersondem
montanajoe: "If the folks in the South would have picked their own damn cotton we would be far better off today..."

golux: "The last slaves were freed in the North."

By the time the 13th Amendment was ratified, in December 1865, all but a relative handful of slaves in Kentucky, Delaware & New Jersey had already been freed -- either by their own states, by the Emancipation Proclamation or by just walking away.

Of New Jersey's 1860 18 remaining old "grandfathered" slaves, 16 are said to have still been alive to be freed by the 13th Amendment.
We are not told who those 16 were, but personal body-servants seems likely, meaning their de-facto status would not change much until either they or their now "employers" died.

Leaving the question regarding Delaware (~1,800 slaves) & Kentucky (maybe 50,000 remaining slaves): were they "North" or "South"?
Well, before the Civil War, as slave-states they were considered "South".
During the war they remained in the Union, but provided large numbers of troops to the Confederacy -- they were Southern Union states.
After the Civil War Kentucky & Delaware nearly always voted solidly with Democrats of the Solid South.

Today, are Kentucky & Delaware more "North" or "South"?
Well, when a Delaware Democrat politician like Joe Bye-Done says, "they're going to put y'all back in chains", he sounds pretty Southern to me.
Kentucky seems pretty much of mixed minds -- Northern style Democrats can still win statewide elections there, though not always.

On the question of who, actually, did clear & plow the land, then plant & pick cotton -- my guess is a large percentage of that work was done by yeomen farmer families of modest means.
But the lure of profitable plantation life was so great that as soon as a white family got good at farming, dad would visit the local bank to borrow enough money to set them up as "planters", and so let others do the hardest work for them.

20 posted on 06/03/2020 6:04:04 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: golux

Plenty of fine black folks, many here on FR. The worst decision ever made was us allowing the left to use them as a tool.


21 posted on 06/03/2020 6:07:31 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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