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To: golux; rockrr; x; montanajoe; jeffersondem
montanajoe: "If the folks in the South would have picked their own damn cotton we would be far better off today..."

golux: "The last slaves were freed in the North."

By the time the 13th Amendment was ratified, in December 1865, all but a relative handful of slaves in Kentucky, Delaware & New Jersey had already been freed -- either by their own states, by the Emancipation Proclamation or by just walking away.

Of New Jersey's 1860 18 remaining old "grandfathered" slaves, 16 are said to have still been alive to be freed by the 13th Amendment.
We are not told who those 16 were, but personal body-servants seems likely, meaning their de-facto status would not change much until either they or their now "employers" died.

Leaving the question regarding Delaware (~1,800 slaves) & Kentucky (maybe 50,000 remaining slaves): were they "North" or "South"?
Well, before the Civil War, as slave-states they were considered "South".
During the war they remained in the Union, but provided large numbers of troops to the Confederacy -- they were Southern Union states.
After the Civil War Kentucky & Delaware nearly always voted solidly with Democrats of the Solid South.

Today, are Kentucky & Delaware more "North" or "South"?
Well, when a Delaware Democrat politician like Joe Bye-Done says, "they're going to put y'all back in chains", he sounds pretty Southern to me.
Kentucky seems pretty much of mixed minds -- Northern style Democrats can still win statewide elections there, though not always.

On the question of who, actually, did clear & plow the land, then plant & pick cotton -- my guess is a large percentage of that work was done by yeomen farmer families of modest means.
But the lure of profitable plantation life was so great that as soon as a white family got good at farming, dad would visit the local bank to borrow enough money to set them up as "planters", and so let others do the hardest work for them.

20 posted on 06/03/2020 6:04:04 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: Bull Snipe
I remembered New Jersey, but forgot Virginia, North Carolina & Louisiana.
Not sure how many, if any, actual slaves remained in those places after Appomattox in 1865.
22 posted on 06/03/2020 6:09:51 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: BroJoeK
Before the war Kentucky had been considered a Southern state, and though it supported the Union in the war, it was considered a Southern state afterwards. Somebody said (or there was an old saying) that Kentucky joined the Confederacy after the war was over. Almost four times the number of Kentuckians fought for the Union as for the Confederacy, but after the war the romance of the Old South and the Lost Cause took root in the state.

DW Griffith, the director of Birth of a Nation was from Kentucky and the son of a Confederate colonel. Southern writers Robert Penn Warren and Allen Tate were both born in Kentucky. Both had Confederate ancestors, but many whose ancestors had fought for the Union came to think of themselves a sons and daughters of the Confederacy. Schools didn't want to offend the ex-Confederate lobby and there was enough hostility the big cities of the North that many Kentuckians came to identify with the Old South.

26 posted on 06/03/2020 7:14:11 AM PDT by x
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