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The problem. See this map. Where to quarantine to open up.
Public domain | 4-22-20 | Sekf

Posted on 04/22/2020 9:44:32 AM PDT by ifinnegan

There are areas of epidemic. Overwhelming majority of deaths come from four local areas, not states but urban locales.

1. Northeast megalopolis, as it's called, including Boston to DC. It approximates Acela train route, called Acela corridor. Subway routes in NYC are shown to correlate with cases in New York, this train line probably seeded the epidemic here.

2. Detroit. 3. New Orleans. 4. Chicago.

Quarantine them so we can open up.

The shutdown allowed us to see where the cases are and the problem. We should have done this two weeks ago when it became obvious.

One size fits all is the same as waiting for the disease to spread.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: coronavanity; covid19; lockdown; openup; quarantine; sekf

Quarantine above. It's simple.

Open up the rest under guidelines and heightened precautions and awareness.

The shut down showed where the problems are. We've waited perhaps too long but now it is the time.

1 posted on 04/22/2020 9:44:32 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan

Strong correlation of COVID cases with
1)High population density
2)High population mobility
3)High dependence on rapid transit
4)Increased High risk behavior

Low density/mobility areas should open first
City Centers with known continuing outbreaks last

Rural america should not have shut down in the first place.


2 posted on 04/22/2020 9:54:11 AM PDT by HangnJudge (China Lied, People died, Never Forget, this Decade's 9-11)
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To: HangnJudge

Add high index of international travel to list


3 posted on 04/22/2020 9:56:51 AM PDT by HangnJudge (China Lied, People died, Never Forget, this Decade's 9-11)
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To: ifinnegan

“Build a Wall!” around these places!


4 posted on 04/22/2020 9:56:52 AM PDT by oldplayer
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To: HangnJudge

Yes. And as it has shaped up all it is doing is waiting in place for the disease to spread to the unaffected regions.


5 posted on 04/22/2020 9:59:10 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: HangnJudge

“High dependence on rapid transit” helps explain the California anomaly regarding the spread of this Chinese Virus.


6 posted on 04/22/2020 10:00:53 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: ifinnegan

This has been an eye opener for people who use mass transit. I suspect the real estate in small towns is going to increase in value in the very near future.


7 posted on 04/22/2020 10:01:50 AM PDT by FXRP (Cogito, ergo Spam!)
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To: HangnJudge

Never happen, it’s called Race. Of course it’s what should have been done but no way you can quarantine areas that are largely black while the mostly white areas are left open. The race BS distorts every decision.


8 posted on 04/22/2020 10:06:41 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: ifinnegan

...Yes. And as it has shaped up all it is doing is waiting in place for the disease to spread to the unaffected regions.

Yup, that is what happened to WVa, the “Last Man Standing” got hit by people fleeing from the Eastern Seaboard, first contaminating the Eastern Panhandle, then working into the state


9 posted on 04/22/2020 10:12:28 AM PDT by HangnJudge (China Lied, People died, Never Forget, this Decade's 9-11)
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I am not quite sure I understand Lockdown.

I guess it means states declare Lockdown and order some things shut. Like barbers and gyms.

Well, folks, here’s the news of the day. Per Sweden. Sweden has no lockdown. There ARE guidelines, but no lockdown.

People are following guidelines. They locked themselves down. And they will in the US, too. If the state tells me to go get on an airplane and sit next to several people for 4 hours, I ain’t gonna do it. Neither are you, because the airlines haven’t been locked down anywhere, but they still are flying empty.

So stop this obsession with lockdown. Govt doesn’t have control of people staying home. The virus does.

Find a cure, not a vaccine, and this all goes away. Don’t find one, well, then it’s forever.


10 posted on 04/22/2020 10:16:28 AM PDT by Owen
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To: ifinnegan
Hmmm...now, many people are raging against the govt shutting down the country and businesses. People are protesting in Lansing, Etc. Freedom-loving eople are dusting off the Constitution, asking where is the govt granted an enumerated power to do all this stuff?

And that's the right conversation to have, regardless if you're a flubro or exponential hysteric.

So, I'll ask the same query here: where in the federal constitution or at the State level is the govt granted an enumerated power to lock up the citizens? Because someone with cool software cranked out a heat map? If President Hillary proposed something like this, we'd (rightly) be up in arms.

We either stand on principle or not.

11 posted on 04/22/2020 10:20:57 AM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: gibsonguy

Exactly. If you say quarantine Chicago, Detroit and New Orleans, you can expect a field day from the Jacksons and Sharptons around.


12 posted on 04/22/2020 10:51:36 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (The Democrats - Unafraid to burn in Hell.)
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To: HangnJudge

I live in a county of 190,000. There are 10 active cases at present. They are thinking about extending past the May 3 deadline. Utterly ridiculous. Of course it’s a liberal town run by liberal idiots, so that answers the question right there.


13 posted on 04/22/2020 10:57:09 AM PDT by gopno1
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To: OrangeHoof

Quarantining the cities was my view back in late February.

It would have worked, but in retrospect it is clear that no politician would dare touch it.


14 posted on 04/22/2020 11:14:19 AM PDT by cgbg (New poll: post elderly voters like Biden's experience as Wilson's VP fighting the Spanish Flu.)
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To: OrangeHoof; cgbg; gibsonguy
Exactly. If you say quarantine Chicago, Detroit and New Orleans, you can expect a field day from the Jacksons and Sharptons around.
OTOH maybe not - if you’re gonna throw Trillions of dollars into the shutdown . . .

15 posted on 04/22/2020 1:00:34 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Socialism is cynicism directed towards society and - correspondingly - naivete towards government.)
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To: ifinnegan

Like Rush said, national policy is being made based on the interests of one city.


16 posted on 04/22/2020 1:35:10 PM PDT by Mr. Blond
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To: Mr. Blond

Yes. Because of the disaster of New York.


17 posted on 04/22/2020 3:48:16 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: DoodleBob

Quarantines have been implemented throughout the entire history of the U.S. at various times.

Constitutional issues are probably well established.


18 posted on 04/22/2020 3:55:23 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan
Actually, at the founding, quarantines were a state/local issue. Our forefathers rightly understood that the Federal Govt had no enumerated power to impose a quarantine.

It was through an expansive re-interpretation of the Commerce Clause whereby the Feds encroached upon the state/local domain of quarantines. That's great - so now conservatives are giving a cheery two-thumbs up to brandishing the same bastardized hammer that liberals use to smash liberty. But I guess this is different.

19 posted on 04/22/2020 5:16:36 PM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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