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Harper’s Weekly – April 21, 1860
Harper's Weekly archives ^ | April 21, 1860

Posted on 04/21/2020 7:13:30 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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To: BroJoeK

And remember that Sherman was training future southern officers at what evolved into LSU.


21 posted on 04/23/2020 11:01:53 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35
In 1860 Massachusetts' Benjamin Butler was a pro-slavery Democrat who at Charleston supported first Vice President John C. Breckenridge and then Mississippi Senator Jefferson Davis for President.
He believed Davis could unify the nation.

In 1860 Capt. William T. Sherman was first superintendent of the Louisiana State Seminary of Learning & Military Academy in Pineville, Louisiana.
He was raised by a family of prominent Ohio Whigs, he opposed abolition and sympathized with the institution of slavery.

In 1860 both Butler and Sherman could reasonably be called "friends of the South", but when push came to shove, both were Unionists first, and Butler put it this way:


22 posted on 04/23/2020 12:57:37 PM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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Bruce Catton, The Coming Fury

23 posted on 04/24/2020 7:17:02 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; OIFVeteran; jeffersondem; DiogenesLamp
"Bruce Catton, The Coming Fury"

Great summary of ideas & events.
Note here William L. Yancy's words:

So far as I know, nobody has ever claimed the honor "Father of the Confederacy" but Fire Eaters, including Yancey, surely deserve it.
In due time, Yancy could be part of the failed diplomatic mission to Britain & France, could serve in the Confederate Senate and die prematurely in 1863 from injuries inflicted by a fellow Senator!
24 posted on 04/24/2020 10:55:29 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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William H. Seward, April 25, 1860

WASHINGTON, April 25, 1860.

Our telegraphic advices from Charleston favor Douglas to-day. One can hardly realize that the once great Democratic party could be so alarmed as it is now. .

SOURCE: Frederick W. Seward, Seward at Washington: 1846-1861, p. 447

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25 posted on 04/25/2020 6:51:57 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Bruce Catton, The Coming Fury

26 posted on 04/26/2020 6:11:35 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

27 posted on 04/26/2020 6:13:58 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Count Adam Gurowski to James S. Pike, Thursday [April 26], 1860

Thursday.

DAMN YANKEE: I lose with you all the cold blood in my veins and all patience. Why misuse, desecrate, the holiest words and conceptions? What for I write books and give to you specially long lectures? Again you speak of the two civilizations. Shame! shame! If you northern wiseacres do not stop such balderdash, I shall be obliged to pitch into you all, and expose your ignorance rivalling that of the South. One of the banditti, Wigfall or Iverson, said in the Senate, “the South will organize a confederacy or government never yet known in the world.” Tell him that he is an ass, as they are all. History knows already, and has recorded a society, community, and government based upon piracy, enslavement, rapine, and slave-traffic. It existed about nineteen hundred years ago for the first time, in Kilikia, or Cilicia, in Asia Minor, and was destroyed by Pompey (not African). Only the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Syrians, representants of civilization at that era, called the Kilikians pirates, and not a different state of civilization. How can you make such confusion and offend the civilized Northern villages, operatives, farmers, mechanics? Atone for it. I suggest to you for the next definition to use the expression, two different and opposed to each other social conditions, as piracy is a social condition after all. How much did T. Weed get for his pacificatory article? The South will be amazed to hear soon the terrible thunder and malediction coming from the other side. Already a forerunner arrived in the London Saturday Review, the best and most independent English weekly, and a Tory. It answers to the menaces made previous to the election. It is splendid, vigorous, and going to the bottom. And what will they say when they learn the fact?

The Saturday Review takes, in the name of civilization (there is only one civilization, recollect that), of Europe and of England, the same ground as did the Tribune of November 28th. Guess who wrote it?

My respectful compliments to Mrs. Pike, and my sincere love to my young great favorite, Miss Mary. You are not worthy to have such a daughter. Tell to Sumner that I regret not to have seen him, but that does not interfere with my hearty friendship. .

Good-by. Stand firm, but believe that the going out of the slave or cotton States will not ruin the country or the principles. Quite the contrary. After one or two years of confusion, unavoidable in every transition, the Free States will take a new start, and more grand and brilliant than was the past. A body, politic or animal, to be healthy, to function normally, must throw out the deleterious poison from its vitals.

This is my deliberate conclusion and creed, based on much philosophizing within myself, and looking from all points of view on the thus called secession. Truth, mankind, liberty, civilization, and manhood will be great winners by secession.

Yours,

GUROWSKI.

_______________

* This letter is dated only as “Thursday.” By the fact James S. Pike places this letter between April 16 and May 12, 1860 in his book, and taking into account the speed of the mail, I made an educated guess that the date this letter was written was probably about half way between the two letters mentioned above and Thursday, April 26, 1860 seemed the most appropriate date. But again it is only a guess on my part, purely for purposes of fitting it into my timeline.

SOURCE: James Shepherd Pike, First Blows of the Civil War: The Ten Years of Preliminary Conflict in the United States from 1850 to 1860, p. 514-5

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28 posted on 04/26/2020 6:19:57 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Bruce Catton, The Coming Fury

29 posted on 04/27/2020 5:00:55 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

30 posted on 04/27/2020 5:02:41 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Re Mr. Strong’s last observation: the Democrat Party hasn’t changed much in the last 160 years.


31 posted on 04/27/2020 12:19:55 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; DiogenesLamp; jeffersondem; OIFVeteran; rockrr; Bull Snipe; x
This excerpt from Catton focuses on Alabama's William Lowndes Yancy, and the language which will split Democrats in 1860.
For those with an eye for such things it's well worth noticing what that language does not include.
It says nothing about:
  1. Tariffs
  2. Northeastern power brokers
  3. Money flows from Europe
  4. Direct trade with European exporters (skip NYC)
  5. Southerners "paying for" Federal government
  6. Northern "bounties" at Southern expense
  7. Any other of the nearly endless list of complaints our Lost Causers throw at Republicans hoping something, anything, will stick -- anything but the real reason, of course.
The real reason is perfectly obvious here: Northerners generally and Republicans specific opposition to slavery, especially this proposed Democrat platform plank:
32 posted on 04/27/2020 2:35:29 PM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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