Posted on 04/18/2020 6:33:08 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
Unfounded speculation, mystery and online rumour making, this isn’t a true crime series -- it’s people’s attempts to figure out the origins of COVID-19.
Theories circulating online is that the virus keeping most of the world in isolation was created in a lab in Wuhan, China, where the first cases of COVID-19 was recorded.
Debate has increased in recent days: the Washington Post reported leaked intelligence cables in 2018 raised safety concerns of the lab in question; and US President Donald Trump was asked about the rumour following a Fox News story containing unverified claims the virus was created in a lab, not as a bio-weapon, and accidentally escaped. In response, Trump said, “We’ll see.”
Professor Edward Holmes specialises in infectious diseases and biosecurity at the University of Sydney. He says there is no evidence that SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19 in humans, originated in a laboratory in Wuhan.
Prof Holmes says the most likely origin of this virus is other coronaviruses that are common in wildlife, and routinely jump to new hosts.
There is a bat virus named RaTG13, which is the closest known relative of SARS-CoV-2, and is kept at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
(Excerpt) Read more at sbs.com.au ...
Nikolai Petrovsky is a Professor in the College of Medicine and Public Health at Flinders University. In his position as a research director at Vaxine Pty Ltd, he's working on a COVID-19 vaccine and expects to commence human clinical trials soon.
Prof Petrovsky is less convinced there was no human intervention in the origins of COVID-19. He says despite intensive search to find its origins, no natural virus matching has been found.
"This raises the very legitimate question of whether the COVID-19 virus might be the result of human intervention."
The genomic sequence of the virus doesn't reveal any artificial gene inserts, something Prof Petrovsky calls a hallmark of a gene jockey. He says the absence of the artificial inserts has been interpreted to mean this virus is not the result of human manipulation.
"This logic is incorrect as there are other ways in which humans can manipulate viruses and that is caused by natural selection," he said.
Prof Petrovsky believes it's plausible that the virus was created in the biosecurity facility in Wuhan, that he says had been cultivating exotic bat coronaviruses at the time - and this could have left the facility via accidental infection of a worker, or inappropriate waste disposal.
But how would it be possible to create this in the first place? He uses the example of a bat coronavirus that is not infectious to humans.
"[If you] force its selection by culturing it with cells that express human ACE2 receptors, such cells have been created many years ago to culture SARS coronaviruses," he said.
"You can force the bat virus to adapt to infect human cells via mutations in its spike protein, which would have the effect of increasing the strength of its binding to human ACE2.
What he is saying here, is that gene manipulation in labs is not always done by gene splicing. Genes can be modified in labs using processes that normally happen in nature, known as natural selection, but by accelerating those processes.
Most importantly, 2 more things. First, the coronavirus COVID-19 as it exists has not been found to exist anywhere in nature, occurring naturally. Second, the closest existing genome to the COVID-19 genome is the RaTG13 genome, which China has long admitted existed in the lab, but does not have the ability to infect humans.
Where is the missing link, the intermediary? TBD, but it’s very possible the intermediary link was done in the lab, using pig cells etc to develop the ability to infect humans.
It may be as simple as this...when wuhan bat lady worked with the Chapel Hill study it was allowed in the US
She took the findings from that study..and with the help of US funds continued studying it in A WUHAN LAB
Then it jumped..which is what chapel warned about..and what she warned about years later..
.. And why US disallowed these studies
Or...it could be a bioweapon experiment
Notice the bait and switch.
The claim is that it is likely the virus escaped from the lab.
The writer switches that to a claim the virus was created in the lab.
This is a huge difference.
this bioweapons connects to
the Pirbright Institute UK
which owns the coronavirus patent,
and who owns the the Institute?
I’ll take Bill and Melinda Gates, Alex.
The answer is right there. In the link above.
“What he is saying here, is that gene manipulation in labs is not always done by gene splicing. Genes can be modified in labs using processes that normally happen in nature, known as natural selection, but by accelerating those processes.”
Exactly. Furthermore, any hack molecular biologist can alter a nucleic acid sequence. It takes skill to do it in ways that leave no trace of outside intervention.
Fantastic link, thanks. Baric is the same person (U of NC) who was contracting with the Wuhan lab back in 2015 for similar research. However your link (and the links within) are from just before the recent outbreak, indicating the research cited may be specific to this exact genome. Since I’m just catching up, is that your theory, or any further thoughts? Thanks again!
There is a poster here doing a similar bait and switch with the chapel hill study
Its bizarre to watch...
Btw..we now know wuhan bat lady was involved with chapel hill study using a different version Of her name in the notes
She studied the same thing in wuhan .she was funded by the US because we cant do those studies here now
And she issued a similar warning as the one that came from Chapel Hill
Yet this poster does a bait and switch.
I am beginning to think that poster has some kind of connection to china or these studies
Something is off about it
lab experiment gone bad. trying to create a vaccine in the lab and a monster got loose.....
Bttt.
5.56mm
I’m just posting what pops up when you search for “Gain of Function” and Corona virus. Surprising, actually but there it is in 2015 and the US imposed a moratorium on SPECIFICALLY Corona Virus research and Gain of Function in Horsehoe Bats. The Moratorium was imposed based on Baric’s recommendation and research in 2016 but the moratorium was lifted, it seems, in 2019. Sounds like Trump is just recently hearing about all this. Too bad.
Distinction without a difference.
...and obviously not a “natural” monster. I couldn’t figure out at first (even posted on FReerepublic) my recollection from Med School was Coronavirus are wimpy virus. My texts even said. “Coronavirus are a small family of virus that are THOUGHT TO BE OF NO CLINICAL SIGNIFICANCE.” Apparently somewhere around 2000 researchers discovered ways to “manipulate” the virus to produce a Gain of Function. Curiously about the same time Wuhan started having outbreaks every two years, which the world always took to be “China’s problem” and so it was ignored.
I agree it appears the research was offshored so to speak, and the Chinese went bat-shit crazy with it to borrow the pun.
There is a race on now to see if the intermediary link, which is required to go from the RaTG13 virus to the current one, can be found in nature. I understand this can take some time, as the MERS intermediary was found in camels, for example.
But if NO intermediary can be found naturally occurring in nature, and so far there hasn’t been, it almost directly points to the lab for cultivating the intermediary. That’s because it would be close to impossible to assume the very first, one and only intermediary that ever existed in nature, immediately jumped into humans. Not impossible, but the odds would be astronomical IMO.
I wish I could say I didn’t understand why “the media” isn’t all over this but I actually do.
The linky above answers your question. In 2015. Try it.
There is some interesting info on baric here. I can understand why he would edit his bio.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3836107/posts
What i cant understand is why a scientist here is trying to pretend it wasnt a sars like experiment and tried to claim it was a Mers experiment
Baric showed it could happen. Warned it could happen. Bat lady warned it could happen
So why pretend it couldnt possibly have happened
It probably did come from a lab now that the media is starting to admit possibility
It came from Hell. Otherwise, China.
All the same story. I have multiple links. There is a long one on the bioethics of GoF Research:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4996883/
More than you ever wanted to know about Corona virus but if you can understand it this article details “how it’s done.”
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0065352706660053
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