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Quarantining the healthy? Why?
Vanity | April 7, 2020 | Swordmaker

Posted on 04/07/2020 11:38:17 AM PDT by Swordmaker

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To: ctdonath2

Profanity is (are) the words of the dim-witted who can’t come up with a better way to express themselves.


41 posted on 04/07/2020 12:09:54 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: nuconvert
One problem with this virus is that it’s believed that about 25% of those infected don’t display symptoms (or their symptoms are so mild they’re barely noticed), and think they’re healthy. That’s the reason for the new suggestion that everyone needs to wear a mask. Until there’s an at home test that everyone can use daily, there’s no way to tell who is truly ‘healthy’ and who isn’t.

That’s not unique to COVID19. I’m well aware of that. In fact it’s not unique to most viral infections. That’s a bogus argument for this. The fact of the matter is that the treatment of this infection is completely different from any previous viral infection of the past. THAT’S my point.

42 posted on 04/07/2020 12:09:58 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplophobe bigot!)
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To: Swordmaker

Many times in history the well have been quarantined. Stopped what ever it was from spreading and after the quarantine you know you didn’t have it. Sometimes you would quarantine a whole town or ship if you had a single suspected case.


43 posted on 04/07/2020 12:11:19 PM PDT by CJ Wolf ( #wwg1wga #gin&tonic #godwins)
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To: Swordmaker

But it really isn’t. First thing you need to remember is that Germ Theory wasn’t generally accepted until the 1850s. So you have to throw out all historical data from before then because they just had no clue where sickness came from. Once you get to the Germ Theory era you still have to wait until you get to us figuring out what these germs are, and the fact that they spread when people are pre-symptomatic. Basically Spanish Flu. And part of the fight against Spanish Flu as to just lock things down.


44 posted on 04/07/2020 12:14:58 PM PDT by discostu (I know that's a bummer baby, but it's got precious little to do with me)
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To: crusty old prospector

just relax.


45 posted on 04/07/2020 12:15:41 PM PDT by ronniesgal (so I wonder what his FR handle is???? and let's get back to living!!!)
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To: Swordmaker

Excellent analysis. Thank you.

“The majority was required to kowtow to the sensibilities of a minuscule minority.” True.

The problem is that Americans are strong and have the ethical wish to support the weak.

The solution is for politicians to stop playing God and to start serving the strong Americans.


46 posted on 04/07/2020 12:16:01 PM PDT by Falconspeed
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To: crusty old prospector

Usually.
Sometimes it’s appropriate.
And sometimes you have to get the point across, efficiently, to the dim-witted.


47 posted on 04/07/2020 12:19:08 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Interesting how those so interested in workERS are so disinterested in workING.)
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To: semimojo
Not exactly. Thy're insisting that everyone sequester themselves because they can't easily tell who's healthy and who isn't. Asymptomatic people can and have spread the disease.

If, and hopefully when, we can test and clear people your point will be appropriate.

You are one of the Sheep, Semimojo. You’re willing to believe this, BS. Last year had a far worse viral illness with 64 million US infections, over 70,000 to 80,000 US deaths in a four month period from the most sever flu in 40 years with over one million US hospitalizations, and millions of deaths around the world, but they did not do any of this and they ALSO had no way of telling who was shedding viruses with asymptomatic conditions, yet did not close down the world economies or sequester healthy people.

Just allow your freedoms to be taken away, Semi. Go ahead. KOWTOW away. Bow down to your masters who are using a convenient viral infection to forward their plans to panic people into giving them control. It was not President Trump who ordered any of the shelter-in-place rules. It was State Governors. Trump is resisting it. The progressive Left is urging him to make a Nation Wide order for that! You’d be marching right along with everyone else to do it.

48 posted on 04/07/2020 12:23:42 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplophobe bigot!)
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To: Swordmaker
First I will say that what I write is not a defense of our government’s actions.

The first instance I know of in history of quarantine is in the Old Testament. Leviticus 13:45

the man is diseased; he is unclean. The priest must pronounce him unclean because of the infection on his head. 45The diseased person must wear torn clothes and let his hair hang loose, and he must cover his mouth and cry out, ‘Unclean, unclean!’ 46As long as he has the infection, he remains unclean. He must live alone in a place outside the camp

This disease was an infection on the man’s head easily visible to those around the man.

Throughout history quarantine was used to isolate diseased individuals with diseases that manifest visible symptoms. Measles and chickenpox come to mind as diseases where quarantine is enforced.

With COVID-19 no outwardly visible symptoms are manifested until days after the individual has become contagious.

My personal opinion is that a number of erroneous assumptions about COVID-19 led to the enforcement of this quarantine.

First it is was grossly overestimated how contagious the virus is.

Second is was also overestimated how deadly the virus is.

These two erroneous assumptions and possibly others, required drastic measures to prevent overloading the healthcare system.

49 posted on 04/07/2020 12:25:43 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: Swordmaker
Soon to be considered the foremost expert on pandemics in the world -- Sweden's Dr. Anders Tegnell?

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/04/trumps_swedish_gambit_against_virus_checkmate.html

Sweden’s misunderstood virus policy was aimed at the second wave. Health Authority epidemiologist Anders Tegnell recommended to the government a form of voluntary self-isolation, largely of the older population. Trump has dismissed this policy (as first proposed for the UK), as “just ride it out… do nothing,” but that is inaccurate. Sweden sought to develop the 80% “herd immunity” that causes the virus to die out, while protecting the elderly and infirm. This was the answer to the second-wave problem now facing Dr. Fauci. As for immediate consequences, Dr. Tegnell was blunt: “There is no evidence at this point that doing more at this stage would make any difference.”

50 posted on 04/07/2020 12:26:16 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Swordmaker

A certain stealth and potency attends to this one, so our actions are more agressive as a way to stem the tide, as it were. I do not mind some adjustments, but I am not the social type. Shutting businesses down completely seems like a wrong move. The media does not help, nor do statists, but I repeat myself.

In the bigger scheme of things these past months and next few weeks will prove to be of benefit. Our generation needs things to be shaken up a bit as a way to remind us of things that really matter, like toilet paper.


51 posted on 04/07/2020 12:26:25 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: ctdonath2
People can contract & spread the disease long before symptoms emerge (if at all). Quarantining only the “sick” would require frequent & pervasive testing of pretty much everyone, identifying & isolating asymptomatic carriers; that’s great if you can, but practically we can’t (not enough sufficiently reliable tests available early enough in this mess). The risk was it would very rapidly spread thru society unnoticed, THEN see 1-3% casualties in its wake.

The only problem is that many epidemiologists are pointing out that the only way for a population to gain what’s called “herd immunity” is for the population to be exposed to small amounts of the virus, amounts below the threshold of exposure to trip over into full blown virulence to cause illness, but just enough to create antibodies.

By avoiding such minor exposure to the virus that never happens. What DOES happen is that when those who avoided exposure come out from their quarantine, a SECOND WAVE of exposure occurs and THEY get ill. it is better to have everyone be exposed and build that herd immunity.

52 posted on 04/07/2020 12:32:53 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplophobe bigot!)
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To: Swordmaker

Because without a cheap way to TEST, we don’t know who is healthy and who isn’t. So your question is meaningless.


53 posted on 04/07/2020 12:34:31 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: semimojo

This lock down still makes no sense because we know who is at high risk and who isn’t, the high risk citizens should be responsible for their own safety. The onus to protect them should be on them and not society in general.


54 posted on 04/07/2020 12:39:49 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn....)
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To: PastaMan

Dude, you are a prime example of the BS that is going on. If you want to sequester yourself then by all means GD it do it. Let the young and those not at high risk GO ON WITH THEIR LIVES!!! You are responsible for your own GD safety.


55 posted on 04/07/2020 12:42:35 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn....)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Because without a cheap way to TEST, we don’t know who is healthy and who isn’t. So your question is meaningless.

Ok fair enough, if you want to hide in your basement and chew on frozen lean cuisines then by all means to that. Leave the rest of us alone who are not at much risk at all GO ON WITH OUR LIVES.

57 posted on 04/07/2020 12:47:46 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn....)
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To: Swordmaker

Since nobody can define who is “healthy”


58 posted on 04/07/2020 12:48:43 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party is communism)
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To: Swordmaker

No, it would be STUPID to have everyone infected at once.

That would overwhelms our hospital systems.

The quarantines are designed to keep the number of people needing hospitalization below the number of spaces we have in hospitals.

Then, this becomes manageable.

If they do not, it ends up like what happened in China where probably more than 1 million died.


59 posted on 04/07/2020 12:50:51 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party is communism)
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To: PastaMan
Because there are asymptomatic carriers of the virus and so kill the virus off be lessening the number of hosts for the virus? I’m in the early geriatric population, although a healthy one with no comorbidities, and I sure as hell don’t want to contract it from an asymptomatic carrier in the push button self-checkout line.

That is a reason why the vulnerable should be isolated but not a reason why those at low-risk should.

The quicker the virus passes through the healthy part of the population, the quicker it will pass.

60 posted on 04/07/2020 12:52:00 PM PDT by Kazan
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