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Terrifying footage inside Italy's crisis wards shows coronavirus patients struggling to breathe as doctors warn their best efforts are 'not enough' [tr]
UK Daily Mai ^ | March 20, 2020 | Raven Saunt and Tim Stickings

Posted on 03/20/2020 2:33:07 AM PDT by C19fan

Desperate Italian medics at the coronavirus epicentre told how all their efforts 'are not enough' as their country's death toll soared above that of even China. The number of fatalities there hit 3,405 yesterday, the highest in the world, despite the valiant efforts of shattered doctors to keep the ailing victims of the virus alive. A shocking Sky News report showed the hectic scenes inside the Papa Giovanni XXII hospital in the crisis-hit area of Bergamo in Lombardy, with staff rushing through wards with beds full of patients in distress.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: TheConservativeBanker
Well said and ironic you got another...YOU'RE A DENIER moron chirping in after you posted your response. Some people just want bad things to be true, it's just their predilection. Like that imbicilic statement.."I'm not negative, I'm a realist" I think it's actually a mask for cowardice. Cowards try to mitigate their "Bad Feelings" by venting their fear out to others in the name of "Just trying to educate us". Really dealing with things that are fearful and confusing takes fortitude, faith and bravery. Some people just are not equipped through childhood trauma and personality disorders to deal with fearful things rationally. So.....they respond by radiating their pain out to all of us.

Personally I would like JimRob like during the 2016 election institute a real liberal timeout and (or) ban for posters who suffer from this personalty disorder. It's just not very educative to have to winnow through endless arguments by pearl clutchers who really just need their mommy and a warm blankey. Posting news that maybe looks grim and engaging in healthy debate with logic and facts is awesome. Just emoting by spamming thread after thread with debunked articles, charts and graphs and then insulting people when they don't see it your way....not productive.

21 posted on 03/20/2020 3:27:17 AM PDT by pburgh01 (Negan all the MSM)
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To: DannyTN
If anything, this fiasco shows the danger of — believe it or not — relying TOO MUCH on the advice of professionals who know more about a subject matter than anyone else in a situation where hysteria and unpredictable human behavior play such a huge role. The danger isn’t in relying on the professionals; it’s in relying on them when the expectations are completely unreasonable.

I work professionally as a civil engineer, and I specialize in the planning and design of transportation infrastructure. If you tell me there are 100 fatalities in motor vehicle crashes in this country every day and you want to eliminate them, or at least reduce them by 95%, and you ask me how to do it, I’m going to give you a simple answer that will solve the problem entirely: OUTLAW MOTOR VEHICLES.

Now if you give me the same scenario and tell me that you want to reduce the normal fatality rate by 5% every year for the next ten years, I’m going to give you a much more reasonable and practical set of recommendations that aren’t preposterous on their face.

This is what is happening with all these medical professionals who are advising our political leaders. Are you noticing a pattern in the answers they give in these press briefings? Almost every answer is basically a variation of one of the following:

1. “We don’t know for certain.”

2. “Without any certainty we recommend extreme caution.”

That’s exactly what is happening here. They are medical professionals. They will never even declare an “end” to this viral outbreak until a vaccine is developed that is 100% effective.

22 posted on 03/20/2020 3:30:33 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Oh, but it's hard to live by the rules; I never could and still never do.")
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To: DannyTN

I ain’t denying it exists or it’s life threatening, I’m denying that just the Chinese were involved in spreading it. I think it was the Chinese working with the Treason party solely to harm Trump. Why was this guy from Harvard for example involved with a lab in Wuhan? Why is Nancy Pelosi quiet as a mouse lately?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00291-2


23 posted on 03/20/2020 3:33:04 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary Clinton remains free equal justice under the law will never exist in the USA)
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To: DannyTN

Having surpassed China in number of deaths etc. it’s no wonder the Dr’s and staff are beyond exhausted....Italy is in the heat of this war and their patients reflect the sad state of those bombarded with the virus.


24 posted on 03/20/2020 3:35:53 AM PDT by caww
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To: DannyTN
Yeah,you can't turn your back on dedicated fearpers for a second. Here's your sign.


PUSH HARDER!! Wham-Bam Wuhan Scam!



25 posted on 03/20/2020 3:37:35 AM PDT by SanchoP (DC is the deep state.)
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To: Alberta's Child

However, during WW1 I believe,.. they knew the epidemic then was spreading to communities as sick troops were moved to different locations.


26 posted on 03/20/2020 3:39:46 AM PDT by caww
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To: SanchoP

Amen.


27 posted on 03/20/2020 3:44:46 AM PDT by nesnah (Liberals - the petulant children of politics)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I ain’t denying it exists or it’s life threatening, I’m denying that just the Chinese were involved in spreading it. I think it was the Chinese working with the Treason party solely to harm Trump. Why was this guy from Harvard for example involved with a lab in Wuhan? Why is Nancy Pelosi quiet as a mouse lately?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00291-2
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You are not crazy...I believe the same...CIA is the other party.


28 posted on 03/20/2020 3:51:30 AM PDT by CincyRichieRich (It's the Wuhon Corona virus, not the U.S. coroner virus. Dem panic <> pandemic.)
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To: caww

Death is never pleasant. In fact is an offense to the soul. However, we will all die and we have no genuine control over the timing and cause of our deaths. Of course the Italian doctors are distressed and distraught. However, video clips of their distress is not a sufficient basis for public policy in the US.

Anybody who celebrates the death of non-criminals is despicable. However, urging well reasoned, calm consideration of a crisis is not tantamount to advocating for more deaths. Perhaps we all (including myself) need a reminder that Marcus Aurelius held that courage was one of the four essential virtues and that in the Book of Revelation cowards are consigned to the lake of fire along with people that we might have considered to be greater sinners.

Be courageous. Be prudent. Beware of masking cowardice with a fake veneer of “prudence”.


29 posted on 03/20/2020 3:55:53 AM PDT by TheConservativeBanker
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To: caww
It's ironic that you'd cite World War I in this discussion. That was about as pointless and futile a foreign military campaign as this country has ever seen.

That was in the days before air travel. Do you realize that the U.S. fatality count from the Spanish Flu may very well have been ZERO if we hadn't been involved in that stupid war?

30 posted on 03/20/2020 4:05:21 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Oh, but it's hard to live by the rules; I never could and still never do.")
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To: TheConservativeBanker

It appears those making pulic policy in the US are not just viewing Italy rather other nations who have been hit hard by this virus....since this is a new virus they have to learn what it’s behavior is, research and develope vaccine etc. etc. This info is gathered from those such as Italy etc. because viru’s have patterns in how they spread......this one is esepcially dangerous as it’s airborn and spreads with contact....and no vaccine yet to oppose it.

I watched a medical team operate yesterday at a large Physicians office ....they are indeed very serious about this and set up very well for when it hits this area.... That IS courage in the face of fear.......they are ready to win the fight against this virus.


31 posted on 03/20/2020 4:09:45 AM PDT by caww
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To: Alberta's Child

It’s not ironic at all.....and makes no difference what the campaign was it showed that movement of troops did indeed further spread the epidemic, which was the point...


32 posted on 03/20/2020 4:12:44 AM PDT by caww
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To: C19fan
Italy received the SARS vaccine in large numbers in 2004. Those that took it has a greater chance of infection now.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3335060/

33 posted on 03/20/2020 4:16:20 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: spetznaz
https://youtu.be/n4no04822NQ

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

34 posted on 03/20/2020 4:17:25 AM PDT by Comment Not Approved (When bureaucrats outlaw hunting, outlaws will hunt bureaucrats.)
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To: caww

If you knew that soldiers traveling from Europe were transmitting a deadly virus, would it make more sense to quarantine everybody, or just THEM?


35 posted on 03/20/2020 4:41:04 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Oh, but it's hard to live by the rules; I never could and still never do.")
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To: DannyTN
Thanks, China!


36 posted on 03/20/2020 4:44:47 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: DannyTN

Actually not really.

“Flattening the curve” as they call it does not necessarily mean less people get infected. All it does is stretch the pandemic out. So instead of a peak you have a hill, or several hills.

There are studies that suggest that over the next year, 60-80% of the population is going to become infected. They claim that WILL happen. Some think (hope) if we flatten the curve it will prevent the system from being overwhelmed. But even in the better models, it is still overwhelming.

It may not work in the end anyway. Italian doctors are praying for the curve to flatten with these restrictions and quarantines, but so far there is no evidence of it. Instead there are hot spots starting to pop up in the south despite lockdowns.

And lockdowns for the long term is going to be a problem too. Economies could collapse leading to supply chain problems. People wont be able to get food. Hospitals wont be able to get medical supplies. And there could be political unrest.

Congress right now is fighting about a $1,200 check for every one. That’s not going to stretch very far. And like I said, if supply chains are disrupted, it won’t matter. You can have a closet full of gold but you can’t eat the gold.


37 posted on 03/20/2020 4:45:55 AM PDT by david1292
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To: SanchoP

38 posted on 03/20/2020 4:48:21 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: david1292
You are correct. Here is the graph predicting asymptotic growth. We are doomed


39 posted on 03/20/2020 4:50:26 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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To: spetznaz

That is a very interesting and informative video. Thank you!


40 posted on 03/20/2020 4:59:45 AM PDT by golux (In Memory of Windflier)
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