Posted on 03/02/2020 12:52:39 PM PST by Vermont Lt
Continuation of Live Thread from No 7.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3820821/posts
Just prior to this there was a young couple that I felt bad for.
The guy was pointing out the baby wipes in the sparse shelves.
“Those aren’t disinfecting!! I know these things!!! How can they be out of all this stuff!!??”
“A properly fitting surgical mask has the ability to reduce the viral load by 80%. A n-95 mask is shown to only reduce the load 90-95%. 10% difference.”
I’m glad we’re at least getting to the point here where people realize that you won’t get it by touching the same doorknob that an infected person touched a week ago, so that’s good (and hopefully I’m not putting words in your mouth). In other words, it’s viral loading (how much you get in a concentrated form, over a short period).
The math you’re using is a bit off, though. You have to look at the percent decrease in what gets through, rather than the percent increase in what gets stopped (i.e., “10% difference”). Because what gets through determines the viral loading you receive.
So, if you start with 100 particles, then 20 get through with a mask, and between 5 and 10 get through with an N95, so a drop of at least 50% with the N95, maybe 75% (based on your above numbers). So if you’re in a taxi with a vector and can breathe 10 minutes of his air without any mask and not get the virus, you’ll be able to breathe 50 minutes of his air with a regular mask, and 100 to 200 minutes of his air with an N95...and that is a big deal.
Shut down all world flights. Shut down all world shipping. Shut down borders.
I’m not joking.
Coronavirus is transmitted via Fecal material at this stage. This is where washing your hands is very important.
Avoid public bathrooms in high breakout areas. If you do take extreme cautions.
Try avoid using those fastfood Kisok. A lot of dirty people will use the bathroom before ordering. Those dirty people do not wash their hands. Google Mcdonald Kiosk feces.
Avoid using cash where get money back, use your credit card instead.
Avoid surfaces were other people’s hand touch and hands. Best to have gloves in high breakout area.
No. If it is aerosolized, all they have to do is exhale and they fill a small room with 100s of millions virus'
Agreed. The other factors though for the public is most people have no idea how to properly fit a n-95, how hard they are actually breathing in said mask, or how long that mask is actually good for.
The numbers came from one of the studies I looked at a few days ago their results were for a 15 minute exposure. And yes, a lot depends on the environment you are in. A closed in taxi with an ill person isn’t somewhere in an outbreak you want to be...even with a n-95 mask.
My theory is there are subversives in the CDC just like their were in FBI who are on a mission to take down President Trump. I could be way off base and I am trying to come to terms with the idea that is it incompetence and not malice, but I don’t know. They started fixing some things literally overnight when VP Pence got involved. Reminds me of the pallets of PR aide sitting in warehouses, to make the President look bad.
I think they may have had the idea of letting it spread “a little”, enough to hurt the stick markets but that genie is out of the bottle, and it’s way more virulent than they expected.
To make matters worse, WHO has close ties to China and communism. I believe nothing they say. They refused to let our doctors and scientists go with their team to China and they have gushed with praise over China.
China has not release genetic sequences since sometime in January. Scientists study that sort of thing to determine origin, R0 and variations. So scientists are about 2-3 weeks trying to build the same out of outbreaks outside China.
Anyway, just a little theorizing and venting this morning with my coffee.
I’m glad that the President has added the scientist and doctors to the task force. We need more non CDC people looking at the data.
Happens to me all the time. Backspace and hit preview... take out anything that looks like code starting with &
Yes. I guess it’s over. Sorry to have bothered you.
Upthread I posted an article up thread where a doctor said that there is research suggesting that SARS and MERs is spread via aerosols, which are also coronaviruses
Every quarantine attempt in the USA is going to quickly dissolve in a mesh of competing court orders. Quarantine isn’t a viable strategy in any country where dissenters can’t be instantly shot.
I agree.
I would even shut down flights in and out of WA for a while. Get ahead of it.
That might have worked on January 1st.
“The numbers came from one of the studies I looked at a few days ago their results were for a 15 minute exposure. And yes, a lot depends on the environment you are in. A closed in taxi with an ill person isn’t somewhere in an outbreak you want to be...even with a n-95 mask.”
For sure! And that tosses us back 50 years, where ‘travel’ was going to a place within a day’s drive with the families station wagon (when flying/cruising was simply out of reach for all but the upper class). Otherwise, it’s literally impossible to avoid crowds (other than when everyone else is afraid to go out).
Funny how life can go full circle.
Travel restrictions are not to stop it, but to slow it down.
We HAVE to use measures to slow it down or our healthcare is going to be overwhelmed in a few weeks. We will have enough cases now to possibly overwhelm the system, without adding 10000s of imported cases.
https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200303010900320
“Gilead’s remdesivir to be used to treat coronavirus patients in S. Korea
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SEOUL, March 3 (Yonhap) — Glead Sciences’ experimental antiviral drug remdesivir is expected to be used to treat patients infected with the novel coronavirus in South Korea as part of a trial, drug industry sources said Tuesday.
Remdesivir, an investigational medication developed by U.S. pharmaceutical giant Gilead Sciences Inc., was previously tested against the Ebola virus. The drug has shown efficacy in COVID-19 patients in other countries on a trial basis as there is no specific treatment.
The sources said Gilead Sciences has been granted approval from local drug authorities to begin phase-three clinical trials of remdesivir for the treatment of COVID-19 in adult patients.
The approval by the Ministry of Food and Drug Safety came only four days after the application.
“Experimental drugs under clinical trial are sometimes granted approval for usage in cases where diseases are life-threatening and there is no other treatment option,” a ministry official said on condition of anonymity.
Remdesivir, currently under clinical trials in several countries, such as China, the epicenter of the outbreak, the United States and Japan, has not been fully approved by any country.
The ministry also allowed a locally-developed antiviral drug called Virus Suppressing Factor (VSF) to treat COVID-19 patients at the request of Seoul National University Hospital.
COVID-19 patients will be administered with a therapy called HzVSFv13, an injection-type of VSF developed by mid-sized bio firm ImmuneMed.
So far, most COVID-19 patients have been given treatments to relieve their symptoms while severe patients were given a combination of flu medicine and Kaletra, an anti-retroviral medication that was developed by global pharmaceutical firm AbbVie Inc. and is used to treat HIV.”
IRAN
Head of Iran’s emergency medical services contracts COVID-19
Pir-Hossein Kolivand not first high-ranking Iranian official who tested positive for coronavirus
Ahmet Dursun | 03.03.2020
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https://www.aa.com.tr/en/health/head-of-irans-emergency-medical-services-contracts-covid-19/1753274
I saw that study about masks made from various materials. They found that tea towels and I think vacuum bags were the most effective.
What is a tea towel?
The have to stop licking the damn walls.
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