Posted on 03/02/2020 12:52:39 PM PST by Vermont Lt
Continuation of Live Thread from No 7.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3820821/posts
You can add airports and airplanes.
Also, any large facility with public restrooms could be a major concern.
Kids…
W.C. Fields was right about them!
“A dealer at a casino handles a lot of chips and cards”
And the same infected employee attended a middle school basketball game just before...
The societal changes are going to be large, to say the least.
Especially if it remains endemic like the flu.
” there wasn’t a single ad for an alcoholic hand sanitizer! “
I can’t tell if you’re trying to make a joke or not, but the term is alcohol-based or isopropyl-based or ethyl-based hand sanitizer.
Yeah, for sure
Again, China markets are up[!
Nuts!
not the US but a Brit?
repost from yesterday’s thread.
This is an interview with the “possibly first Brit” to catch the disease. He was treated in and remains in Wuhan and describes his illness. At 50 seconds in, he says he was hospitalized in ‘late November’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAPKveL6x2E
You can’t tell?
ROTFLMAO
“Oregon’s full of a bunch of hippies that don’t believe in washing their hair or much else, to save the planet”
That characterization couldn’t be farther off the mark for the third case in Oregon. Location is full of cowboys and Indians, not hippies.
Or maybe the parent network of EIB has Chicomm investors.
This article is interesting, refers to appropriate PPE for healthcare workers, but touches on transmission:
Unmasked: Experts explain necessary respiratory protection for COVID-19
“ How the virus travels in the air
Donald Milton, MD, a professor of environmental health at the University of Maryland, helped prove via the use of his Gesundheit machine that influenza could be spread via aerosol transmission. He said he is in contact with colleagues in Singapore who are attempting to study the transmission of the COVID-19 viruses, which are often called nCoV but are officially named SARS-CoV-2.
Though Chinese officials said earlier this week that they believe the coronavirus is transmitted only via droplets, implying they do not believe airborne or contact transmission plays a role, Milton said that statement is likely rooted in fear, not science.
“To me this sounds like someone trying to deal with panic, because people panic when they hear airborne transmission and long-distance transmission,” he said. He said there has been scientific evidence or aerosol transmission of MERS-CoV (Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus), so it is likely possible for this novel coronavirus, as well.
Milton cautions that the difference between aerosol and droplet transmission is largely in name only. Respiratory droplets, emitted with a sneeze or a cough, are commonly thought to land within 6 feet of patients and are too large to be buoyant on air currents. Respiratory aerosols are droplets too, Milton said, but smaller and light enough to travel farther.
“You cannot tell the difference epidemiologically between something aerosol transmitted by weak sources and large droplet spray,” said Milton. “They behave so similar, it’s very hard to pick up the difference.”
He said he suspects the capability of long-distance transmission with COVID-19 will be connected to source strength, or how symptomatic a person is.”
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/unmasked-experts-explain-necessary-respiratory-protection-covid-19
Well then THEY should pay!
Don’t share air with the infected. And don’t touch them.
Japan was letting those folks in the hostel ‘quarantine’ go sight-seeing.
And don’t share a bathroom with them apparently
some of us were talking about covid 19 before it was named back in December.....
Nothing changed with the bats. Antibodies to bat coronavirus were found in humans in villages near the bats’ caves years before COVID-19 showed up. (IIRC, there was a link on FR to this a couple weeks ago.) In the same study the researchers found 500(!) different coronaviruses in the bats, and thought they had only scratched the surface.(!!)
What changed is, primarily, travel and the transportation system in China. Compare maps of the road and rail system in China 30 or 40 years ago, vs. today. The transformation is nothing short of astounding.
Plus, the bulk of the population was lifted out of abject poverty, so they have some money to travel - mostly by rail or bus. And, do they ever. I saw an estimate of 15 BILLION person-trips (intercity, national, international, etc.) expected for the 2020 CNY, before all this (virus) hit and the lockdowns were imposed. From some personal connections / knowledge, I don’t doubt that figure at all.
In the past, if a virus made the jump, most likely it never made it out of whichever village or region near the cave was afflicted. That’s not to say there were no epidemics - there have been great epidemics during cold spells in China’s history, and probably many lesser ones lost in that long history. But the ones we do know of were, as you imply, less frequent. (Side note: COVID-19 would likely have not even been noticed in China before, oh, I don’t know. Maybe 1900? People, especially elders, got sick and died routinely from all sorts of causes of pneumonia. Some years more than others. Only particularly nasty epidemics with high fatality rates would even get recorded, I suspect.)
Now, you have all this unprecedented travel, which includes, by the way, substantial tourist traffic to the caves. (Some of the caves are dang impressive - I’d go see ‘em too, if they were within a day’s drive from me.) However, Chinese culinary, hygiene, and animal processing and slaughter habits have not caught up to the new realities...
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