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Coronavirus Live Thread. 6.
2/27/20

Posted on 02/28/2020 1:09:49 PM PST by Vermont Lt

Continuation of the thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3820145/posts


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: aerosol; airborne; bioengineering; communityspread; coronavirus; covid19; covid19livethread; cvlivethread; democrathoax; dooom; kungflu; sarscov2
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To: LilFarmer

Whoops. I should have looked rather than assuming...


1,221 posted on 03/01/2020 12:30:13 PM PST by ETCM
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To: DouglasKC

That’s weird, a lot of other vanities about CV are allowed to stay up.


1,222 posted on 03/01/2020 12:31:39 PM PST by LilFarmer
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To: grey_whiskers

So even if you survive, except some degree of long term lung damage ? Thus explains the Chinese lung transplants.


1,223 posted on 03/01/2020 12:32:18 PM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: DouglasKC
DouglasKC, I am responding to your thread that was pulled here, on the Corona Virus thread.

DouglasKC: Remember that 20% WILL require some type of medical intervention...i.e. severe symptoms requiring hospitalization or other medical intervention.

18,500,000 X 20% = 3,700,000 requiring hospitalization.
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ME:

What if say 3% need hospitalizations and others will need a doctor's visit/medications, some will ignore symptoms until they are ill enough to need an ER and are sent home with meds (in CA many undocumented go to the ER if they can't control symptoms), some will have complications from other illnesses, some may just have an ugly flu experience that causes them to tough it out at home with meds longer than usual.

18,500,000 X 20% = 3,700,000 requiring medical intervention. WHo knows how many of those 20% need prescriptions vs hospitalization? What percentages apply to severe flu years in the past?
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DouglasKC:

I didn't spell it out but addressed it by using a very low number of hospitalizations, 10%...or half of the generally agreed upon figure of 20% for severe symptoms. But even at 5% it's still way above capacity.
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ME:
According to the CDC, 2018 had the highest levels of flu in the past 10 years with

45,000,000 becoming ill.

21,000,000 going to the doctor.

    810,000 requiring hospitalization which is 4% of those seeking medical intervention.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

The problem is in your original post here:

The reason why is simple. It's stated in almost every government pronouncement about this virus including the United States. It's contained in this sentence:

"For 80% of those who get this virus their symptoms will be mild and won't require hospitalization."

This statement is being incorrectly interpreted to mean everyone who doesn't have mild symptoms will be hospitalized when in the highest flu season in the past 10 years, 4% were hospitalized. It's important for people to avoid posting online that 20% will need hospitalization.

Given that there is deep interest in fanning fears in the MSM and actually in some medical places, this may be intentional on their part. We've seen them do it before; always shrieking that, " it's outta control!  get the vaccine! DOOM! DOOM!"

1,224 posted on 03/01/2020 12:32:32 PM PST by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: knak; LilFarmer; Black Agnes; Mom MD; Vermont Lt

From your twitter thread, knak:

Drew Maw
@drewmaw
https://twitter.com/drewmaw/status/1234193795786231808

Dr. Paul Cotrell on YouTube received whistleblower text warning of #coronavirus Northern California quarantine by FEMA Monday morning March 2nd, “nobody leaves,” likely Sacramento, San Francisco, Solano, unsure about Redding, Shasta, Tehama, Eureka and other low lying areas.
1:08 PM · Mar 1, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
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1,225 posted on 03/01/2020 12:33:32 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: LilFarmer

Mexico reports 5th case of coronavirus, first in the state of Chiapas @BNO desk


1,226 posted on 03/01/2020 12:33:59 PM PST by LilFarmer
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To: ransomnote
There Is research that supports 12-20% severity of cases. Here is one: Characteristics of and Important Lessons From the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Outbreak in China Summary of a Report of 72 314 Cases From the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention Zunyou Wu, MD, PhD1; Jennifer M. McGoogan, PhD1 Author Affiliations Article Information JAMA. Published online February 24, 2020. doi:10.1001/jama.2020.2648 “ Spectrum of disease (N = 44 415) Mild: 81% (36 160 cases) Severe: 14% (6168 cases) Critical: 5% (2087 cases)” https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762130?guestAccessKey=bdcca6fa-a48c-4028-8406-7f3d04a3e932&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=022420
1,227 posted on 03/01/2020 12:39:35 PM PST by LilFarmer
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To: ransomnote

There Is research that supports 12-20% severity of cases.

Here is one:

Characteristics of and Important Lessons From the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Outbreak in China
Summary of a Report of 72,314 Cases From the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention
Zunyou Wu, MD, PhD1; Jennifer M. McGoogan, PhD1
Author Affiliations Article Information
JAMA. Published online February 24, 2020. doi:10.1001/jama.2020.2648

“ Spectrum of disease (N=44415)

Mild: 81% (36,160 cases)

Severe: 14% (6168 cases)

Critical: 5% (2087 cases)”

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762130?guestAccessKey=bdcca6fa-a48c-4028-8406-7f3d04a3e932&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=022420


1,228 posted on 03/01/2020 12:41:33 PM PST by LilFarmer
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To: LilFarmer

3rd new case so far today in washington

New coronavirus case at Seattle Children’s in Everett brings statewide total to nine
https://q13fox.com/2020/03/01/new-coronavirus-case-at-seattle-childrens-in-everett-brings-statewide-total-to-nine/


1,229 posted on 03/01/2020 12:41:54 PM PST by janetjanet998
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To: sockmonkey
I have been on FR 20 years and never noticed that. If it was a snake...


1,230 posted on 03/01/2020 12:43:53 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: janetjanet998; Black Agnes

Another crazy happening...

ONE month ago, I purchased a can of dried egg powder, for $18 from Big A.

I was curious, and just checked today, and ONE can is $100.00.


1,231 posted on 03/01/2020 12:44:52 PM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.cuase)
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To: grey_whiskers
LOL...I need that flag! 😷
1,232 posted on 03/01/2020 12:45:23 PM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.cuase)
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To: ransomnote

Another study:
“the percentage of severe cases in all infected cases was 18.1%”

Clinical characteristics of 50466 patients with 2019-nCoV infection

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.18.20024539v2


1,233 posted on 03/01/2020 12:45:35 PM PST by LilFarmer
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To: grey_whiskers
🙃....time will tell :)
1,234 posted on 03/01/2020 12:47:17 PM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.cuase)
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To: LilFarmer

Have been meaning to tell you....thanks for all of your research and posts.


1,235 posted on 03/01/2020 12:48:06 PM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.cuase)
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To: ETCM

We have friends getting ready to take their kids on a spring break Mexico cruise.

I don’t get how anyone would want to do that, EVER, but, especially now.


1,236 posted on 03/01/2020 12:49:21 PM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.cuase)
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To: knak

That vid, from Oregon, says THREE charter buses, full of NG.


1,237 posted on 03/01/2020 12:51:12 PM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.cuase)
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To: LilFarmer

Strange numbers. Everyone hospitalized is in intensive care?


1,238 posted on 03/01/2020 12:51:17 PM PST by Paul R. (The Lib / Socialist goal: Total control of nothing left wort h controlling.)
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To: knak

Interesting as many say they’ve never seen NG in Grant’s Pass. 3 motor coach buses? Could be heading home or could be a forced quarantine. We won’t know until it happens, if it happens.


1,239 posted on 03/01/2020 12:53:41 PM PST by TermLimits4All (A coup on the people's President, will result in bloodshed. Be prepared always.)
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To: Jane Long

Probably checkpoint guards for quarantines. Three buses is around 250 I suspect. Unless they got a duffle bag in the seat next to em.


1,240 posted on 03/01/2020 12:54:55 PM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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