Posted on 02/26/2020 9:03:53 AM PST by DouglasKC
The CDC reports that only 6515 people in the United States died from Influenza.
Another chart contained in the pdf here:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_09-508.pdf
shows that 55,000 died from influenza AND pneumonia. So I'm assuming out of that 6515 is flu and the rest in pneumonia.
The flu can certainly lead to pneumonia which is why they may be grouped together. But not all pneumonia comes from the flu.
Question: Is the corona virus more likely or less likely to lead to pneumonia?
Where are the 2019 numbers?
The CDC only had number up to 2017. However I'm guessing that the numbers for 2019 were higher...it was a bad flu season. But certainly no more than 10 to 15 thousand.
And how many have died or have become permanently disabled as a result of the flu shot.
No idea.
Coronavirus is a bad flu-like cold. Some people in backwards countries like China get pneumonia and die.
Corona is the Y2k of viruses.
MORE LIKELY - The receptors on the coronavirus attack the lower respiratory track, (lungs), and leads to pneumonia. Influenza attacks the upper respiratory track (nose/throat) and seldom leads to pneumonia.
Pneumonia leads to reduction of oxygen to organs and often death.
It attacks cells in the lower respiratory system a d leafs to pneumonia.
It just reacts very aggressively on the elderly. Much worse than the flu on the elderly. It seems to cause less symptoms than the flu in the young.
not sure if it’s true but read over 40,000 have died of the 2019-2020 flu so far including many children..the bad one is influenza b my 4 yr old nephew had it in late December a fever of 105 otherwise no other symptoms doc kept on coming over to check lungs all were clear took a week to get over it
Bingo.
Bingo. It's why 20% of the cases end up serious or critical.
My friend’s brother and sister-in-law caught it on the Princess cruise in Japan. The brother is doing well.
Her sister-in-law is in critical condition with pneumonia. She kept on getting worse until they started on some HIV drugs. She is finally starting to do better.
They are Caucasian US citizens in their 60s or 70s who were healthy enough to go on a cruise for their anniversary before they got sick.
Both of them have been in the hospital for over a week.
Since reporting by locals to CDC is not mandatory and not supported by actual tests any figures are CDC derived fantasy figures to prop up vaccine manufacurers. CDC will come up with a 70,000 deaths figure soon as flu vaccine sales lag.
RE: Only 6515 Died from Flu in 2017
Those were US numbers. NOBODY has yet died of CoVid-2019 in the USA.
I’d like to know how many died of the Flu WORLDWIDE in 2017.
6,515 died?
No way.......it was 10s of millions.
And even THAT is only a FRACTION of how many will die from Corono.
“Question: Is the corona virus more likely or less likely to lead to pneumonia?”
I think more likely.
Note you mean this corona virus (or its related viruses SARS and MERS). There are a lot of other corona viruses, for example 15% of cold viruses are corona viruses.
Me too. WHO data shows this for 2016: 
Lower respiratory infections are composed of many factors including pneumonia. But the flu is NOT a lower respiratory infection. The flu is not in the top ten.
The corona virus targets the lower respiratory system which is why it leads to more pneumonia than the flu.
Corona virus can be considered to produce two groups of symptoms 80% are asymptomatic or have a mild fever and cough. They can easily weather their symptoms at home and are encouraged to do so. People should stay away from hospitals if possible. And people should stay home (not go to work, or school) even with mild symptoms.
The second group of people which could be anywhere from 20% to 10%, will get full on flu symptoms including a coughing and fever. These people will get pneumonia. Most of them will be able to handle the pneumonia by gradually coughing up the fluids in their lungs over several weeks. But some will start to have low oxygen in their blood. This is the problem. They are highly contagious and they need some sort of oxygen quickly or they may die. The death rate is around one in a hundred. But its higher among the elderly and smokers. And its far less fatal among the young, especially children.
I have seen articles recently online that said we (U.S.) had 80,000 Flu deaths in 2018 (the average is 35-40,000), so I don’t see how these numbers square with the CDC
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