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150 Years Ago, a Philosopher Showed Why It’s Pointless to Start Arguments on the Internet. I.E. Don’t feed the trolls.
getpocket.com ^ | 1/2/2019 | Olivia Goldhill

Posted on 02/14/2020 7:01:41 PM PST by rktman

Wildly inaccurate facts and spurious arguments are unavoidable features of social media. Yet no matter how infuriatingly wrong someone is, or just how much counter-evidence you have at your disposal, starting arguments on the internet rarely gets anyone to change their mind. Nearly a century-and-a-half ago, British philosopher John Stuart Mill explained, in a few clear sentences, why certain arguments simply won’t go anywhere. As historian Robert Saunders notes, Mill’s analysis neatly applies to heated and futile internet debates.

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To: rktman

“It’s Pointless to Start Arguments on the Internet.”

That’s why i have settled for mocking people i disagree with.


61 posted on 02/15/2020 5:35:16 AM PST by Leep (Everyday is Trump Day!)
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To: cherry
I think the meaning is that one should NEVER answer to the folly of a fool.....by answering them, you're giving them creedence....

Rather, part of the wisdom of proverbs is understanding how it is to be applied, and here both not answering and answering have their place. In the first instance, of avoidance, it is due to the danger of answering like the food does, such as by simply engaging in argument by mere unwarranted assertion of a Truth claim which presumes the very thing that needs to be established.

In the second instance it is engaging and interacting with the claim by documenting and or logically demonstrating its fallacious nature, thereby showing the fool that he is being foolish, nor wise as is presumed by the same.

Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. (Proverbs 26:4-5)

62 posted on 02/15/2020 5:53:00 AM PST by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Elsie
How about this for an argument:

Dag Nabbit to Peace By JESUS : You can't accept the simple challenge of the Book of Mormon because you don't have the faith that God will actually answer your prayers....Once you have that kind of faith and humility, then settle once and for all whether the Book of Mormon is true by placing your faith in God to let you know if it is right or wrong...

Peace By JESUS Dag Nabbit • 19 hours ago

That is absurd! Your very attempt at an argument appeals to the very tactic I reproved, that of making the objective subject to the subjective, and thus your means is actually an argument against being a Mormon.

The proof text LDS disciples invoke for your means of ascertaining Truth is that of the disciples of Christ expressing how their heart burned within them. However, what they leave out was that this was "while he opened to us the scriptures?" (Luke 24:32)

Which did not mean Truth was determined by a feeling, but that And "beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself." (Luke 24:27)

Thus the "witness to your soul the truthfulness of what you are reading" must conflate with what the Scripture actually says, vs. feelings themselves meaning such is true, for Muslims even claim to see Muhammad in Scripture...

Dag Nabbit to Peace By JESUS • 16 hours ago • edited: Peace by JESUS - You sound really angry. Please forgive my unsophistication. I do not know what you mean by "objective subject to the subjective", and I don't know to what you are referring...

And on it goes.

63 posted on 02/15/2020 6:05:14 AM PST by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Hootowl

Another reason to post is the effect on morale for others. It is important for others to see comments they agree with, lest it seem the whole world has gone insane (i.e. preaching to the choir has great value).


64 posted on 02/15/2020 6:10:37 AM PST by Codeflier (All my messages are intended to be friendly interaction, not a personal attack or insulting.)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Trolling by the second post, classic.


65 posted on 02/15/2020 6:25:51 AM PST by skepsel (I miss William F. Buckley and the old Firing Line)
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To: Oatka
Three quarters of that board is always littered with people answering his anti-Trump posts. I blocked him as useless, but too may there rise to the bait.

He is a paid professional. I've noticed his type on non-political forums all over the Internet. The snarky tone is designed to convince Millennials and weak-thinkers that these trials are "right" and have some special insight that the rest of the rubes out there just don't understand.

66 posted on 02/15/2020 6:30:48 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: rktman

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67 posted on 02/15/2020 8:34:38 AM PST by sauropod (If women are upset at TrumpÂ’s naughty words, who bought 80 million copies of 50 Shades of Grey?)
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To: rktman

The ONE example they use in the article is an argument in the support that kids with homosexual parents are just as well off as kids with heterosexual parents.


68 posted on 02/15/2020 8:38:41 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: sauropod

Glad you didn’t start up with an argument. LOL!


69 posted on 02/15/2020 8:47:26 AM PST by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Three quarters of that board is always littered with people answering his anti-Trump posts. I blocked him as useless, but too may there rise to the bait.
He is a paid professional. I've noticed his type on non-political forums all over the Internet.

One tip off is that they block their posting history. I'll give the "Newbies" a couple of posts and then zot 'em as worthless parrots.

70 posted on 02/15/2020 10:13:20 AM PST by Oatka
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To: Hootowl
D&C is the book that dictates Mormon doctrine but directly contradicts the Book of Mormon at many points.

I just HATE when that happens!


 

Trinity:

 

found in the Book of MORMON        -----------   rejected in the Doctrines and Covenants 

Book of Mormon:

Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God? And he answered, No. (Alma 11:28-29)

...and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. (Alma 11:44)

...doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen. (2 Nephi 31:21)

...praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end. (Mormon 7:7)

...power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son--And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth. And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, (Mosiah 15:3-5)

...of Jared, that whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever, should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them. (Ether 2:8)


"Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name." (3 Nephi 9:15)


"And again the Lord called others, and said unto them likewise; and he gave unto them power to baptize. And he said unto them: On this wise shall ye baptize; and there shall be no disputations among you. Verily I say unto you, that whoso repenteth of his sins through your words and desireth to be baptized in my name, on this wise shall ye baptize them--Behold, ye shall go down and stand in the water, and in my name shall ye baptize them. And now behold, these are the words which ye shall say, calling them by name, saying: Having authority given me of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. And then shall ye immerse them in the water, and come forth again out of the water. And after this manner shall ye baptize in my name; for behold, verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one...And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one." (3 Nephi 11:22-27, 36)

Doctrine and Covenants:

According to that which was ordained in the midst of the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was, that should be reserved unto the finishing and the end thereof, when every man shall enter into his eternal presence and into his immortal rest. (Section 121:32)

And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that covenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God. And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them--Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths--then shall it be written in the Lamb's Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them. (Section 132:18-20)

Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods. (Section 132:37)

 

 

71 posted on 02/15/2020 10:15:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rktman

Oh come on now. One should know better than to argue with a philosopher!


72 posted on 02/15/2020 3:24:31 PM PST by sauropod (If women are upset at TrumpÂ’s naughty words, who bought 80 million copies of 50 Shades of Grey?)
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To: Elsie
May I morph it into a Christian/Mormon dialog?

Hey, once you post an idea on the internet, it's everyone's for the taking.

I'll have to admit, though, I sometimes find it discouraging that some Freepers have ten times the zeal for fighting their allies than they do for fighting the Left.
73 posted on 02/15/2020 8:42:38 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak
I'll have to admit, though, I sometimes find it discouraging that some Freepers have ten times the zeal for fighting their allies than they do for fighting the Left.

I'm a bit the same way; but...


I sometimes find it discouraging that some Freepers have ten times the zeal for fighting the Left than they do for fighting for a man's immortal soul.

74 posted on 02/16/2020 3:08:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jmacusa; Pikachu_Dad

Your allies in Antifa agree.


75 posted on 02/16/2020 11:02:35 AM PST by Pelham (RIP California, killed by massive immigration)
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To: SES1066

Also, it is futile to argue about goals.

When you have two people with the same goals, they can have rational discussions about the optimal way to achieve the goal. But when they have wildly different goals (e.g. “achieving equality” vs “keeping my family safe and prosperous”) no such discussion is workable.

Worse is when one party has a hidden agenda, because you are not addressing his real agenda.


76 posted on 02/16/2020 11:13:22 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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To: Pelham
Listen smart ass I don't have ‘’allies’’ in Antifa. They'd be ,ore in line with Dixiecrat venerating Confederates masquerading as conservatives in the attic types like you.
77 posted on 02/16/2020 2:28:03 PM PST by jmacusa ("If wisdom is not the Lord, what is wisdom?)
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To: Elsie
I sometimes find it discouraging that some Freepers have ten times the zeal for fighting the Left than they do for fighting for a man's immortal soul.

These days, I truly do believe that it is the exact same thing.

Also, I don't believe that devout Mormons are going to hell just for being Mormon. They may require a bit of an adjustment in their education when Jesus comes, but they aren't going to hell, the same way I believe that devout Baptists aren't going to hell for not being Catholic.
78 posted on 02/17/2020 12:54:48 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak
While I believe that trusting in Jesus, and the things that HE said, gets folks to heaven; I think that those who 'trust in Jesus' AND something ELSE to get to heaven, will be sadly disappointed.
79 posted on 02/17/2020 5:24:38 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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