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The world just learned of the Astros’ cheating. Inside baseball, it was an open secret.
WaPo ^ | 02-12-2020 | Barry Svrluga and Barry Svrluga

Posted on 02/12/2020 6:35:42 PM PST by NRx

…The Astros’ system for using electronics to steal signs came into full public view Nov. 12, when former pitcher Mike Fiers exposed the machinations in a story published by the Athletic. The report prompted an MLB investigation that resulted in the suspension and firing of both Luhnow and Hinch. Paranoia about the Astros’ methods had gripped baseball, affecting the way other teams scouted and prepared to face Houston — in some cases crippling officials with worry.

According to people at all levels throughout the sport — players, clubhouse staff members, scouts and executives — the idea that the Astros employed nefarious methods was an open secret.

“The whole industry knows they’ve been cheating their a---- off for three or four years,” said an executive from a team that faced the Astros in the playoffs during that span. “Everybody knew it.”

...He estimated “10 to 12” teams had complained to MLB about the Astros over the years. An executive from another team agreed with that number.

While the logistics of the ­Astros’ scheme — a camera in center field, a video monitor near the dugout, banging on trash cans to signal pitches and what the Wall Street Journal reported was an operation called “Codebreaker” to decipher the catcher’s signs — remained unknown as it was happening, suspicions that games against the Astros were contested on an uneven playing field skyrocketed.

“It was a big open secret, really big,” said a veteran scout from another team whose coverage included the Astros. “Throughout baseball, throughout the scouting community, for several years, not just starting in 2017. I would say probably 2016, maybe earlier, through [2019], things were going on that were blatantly against the rules.”

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TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: astros; baseball; cheating; houston; irrelevance; mlb; texas; theyalldoit
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To: NRx

Wish I was surprised at the number of folks here that think cheating is okay and baseball is boring.


21 posted on 02/12/2020 9:21:04 PM PST by Jolla
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To: Jolla

Yup, pretty depressing.

Freegards


22 posted on 02/12/2020 9:26:16 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: TaxPayer2000

...should be penalized...
by having to watch the games.


23 posted on 02/12/2020 10:25:51 PM PST by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: Jolla

So you’ve watched some games of it then?


24 posted on 02/12/2020 10:27:23 PM PST by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: MrEdd

Yes, season tickets during a few of the Boochy years with the Giants, get to a few DDodger or Padres now


25 posted on 02/12/2020 11:07:02 PM PST by Jolla
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To: neverevergiveup
What makes soccer so dull is not that the scoring is low, but that genuine SCORING CHANCES are few and far between.

You mentioned that soccer players often run more than 10 kilometers in a game, which sounds impressive until you put it in context. For a 90-minute game that’s an average speed of about 4.2 miles per hour, which means players are operating at an average pace of a brisk walk. This is where soccer’s limited-substitution rules work against it. Just watch a soccer game and compare it to the frenetic pace of a hockey game with its free substitution and constant changes of personnel on the ice.

26 posted on 02/13/2020 2:25:28 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: Truthoverpower

It is silly.


27 posted on 02/13/2020 3:26:00 AM PST by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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To: Alberta's Child
What makes soccer so dull is not that the scoring is low, but that genuine SCORING CHANCES are few and far between.

What makes soccer so dull is that you have no clue what's going on. No matter what is going on while the ball is in play, either team might score in the next ten seconds.

ML/NJ

28 posted on 02/13/2020 4:50:52 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Truthoverpower

I care.

Hurts the sport. The entire reason for rules is to make achievement singular. If you cheat, it isn’t a game anymore.

I love baseball. I wish Kennesaw Mountain were still around to vacate the last three years worth of Astros victories and titles.

It’s also why I can’t stand the Patriots.

Don’t cheat. That’s why we have the WWE. It’s a show, not a game. Harlem Globetrotters. It’s entertaining, but not a sport.


29 posted on 02/13/2020 5:02:01 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: ml/nj

That should make soccer MORE exciting, not less. The dullest sports are those like baseball and football where offensive “possession” is heavily controlled.


30 posted on 02/13/2020 5:23:40 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: RinaseaofDs

Beltran’s reputation will never be the same.

No wonder he was able to get so many clutch hits.


31 posted on 02/14/2020 6:50:24 AM PST by Conserv
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To: NRx

SAY IT AIN’T SO, JOsE.


32 posted on 02/27/2020 3:36:10 PM PST by Lexington Green (Sun Tzu Trumps Saul Alinsky)
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