Coronavirus outbreak live thread

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[janetjanet998]

Thought it may be a good idea to have a place to follow all the fast moving events in one place

updates coming in fast

[Paul R.]

Correct, but, “staying alive” and “staying infectious” are two different things. The latter usually “goes” well before the former.

Of note, cold temperatures extend both the above. The figures stated are @ room temp.

[Paul R.]

Your post @

https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3810083/posts?page=11#11

was excellent.

Perhaps you should repost it here?

[Mariner]

Western countries separate the animal pen (feces and earth and all other body fluids), from slaughter. And further separates slaughter from market consumers.

And the people involved in each process rarely have contact. And there are fairly strict regimes and record keeping along the way, along with spot inspections for verification.

In China it’s all mixed together in the same place and there are no inspection, and fewer rules.

China is the perfect soup for zoonotic viral evolution and refinement.

None better could be designed by the best scientists.

[GOPJ]

Note how quickly the virus RNA was sequenced and made public.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/479810-how-does-the-wuhan-coronavirus-outbreak-compare

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You think it’s man made?

[spokeshave]

Makes me laugh thinking about the Ebola stuff for which our private school implored kids to keep using sanitizer at school and forced them to use it in and out of classes,etc.

And the Islamic medical staff might not want to use sanitizers

Muslims refuse to use alcohol-based hand gels over religious ... [Search domain www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1202192/Muslims-refuse-use-alcohol-based-hand-gels-religious-beliefs.html] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1202192/Muslims-refuse-use-alcohol-based-hand-gels-religious-beliefs.html

Some Muslims have refused to use alcohol-based hand gels to combat the spread of swine flu because they claim it is against their religion

[Ellendra]

Hopefully I’ll have time to read this whole thing tomorrow. But in the mean time I have a question: Does anyone know the duration of this illness?

I know the incubation period is supposed to be around 14 days. But after symptoms start, how long does it take for the patient to either die or recover?

Without that number, it’s hard to calculate an accurate mortality rate. We don’t know how many of the currently infected will survive.

[PA Engineer]

Same here. Now prioritizing for aerosol versus liquid. I just ordered my O3 for stink bug car issues. Best.

Stay ahead of the herd.

[steve86]

Individuals can have symptoms for up to 10 days (this is following the incubation period), IIRC from the Lancet article. So it isn’t a “drop-dead-the-same-day” thing like the Spanish flu.

[steve86]

But remember the “Lancet” patients were mid-December. The coronavirus could have mutated since then and changed its virulence and other factors relating to the infection.

[21twelve]

Heh - that ozone generator that I ordered. I cancelled it. Sounds like it won’t do much to a virus in the house. Plus there are side effects from some chemicals that it will break down.

THEN I read your article - they were doing fancy medical stuff with 03. The article I was reading said it works well in water (and bodily fluids I guess?) - but not so well in air.

Sounds like my large 3M room air HEPA filter is probably better anyway.

[Paul R.]

You think it’s man made?

No, I think that's evidence of laudable cooperation between the Chinese scientists and the University of Sidney, Sidney, Australia.

Check this link:

http://virological.org/t/novel-2019-coronavirus-genome/319

[Paul R.]

Thanks. Hopefully, someone will listen.

[PA Engineer]

I’ll be using both. IQ Air and O3. O3 penetrates areas solvents can not do. Best.

[rdl6989]

CGTN
@CGTNOfficial
#BREAKING #Wuhan to ban all non-essential vehicles in city center amid #CoronavirusOutbreak as of midnight, local authorities said on Saturday afternoon

[rdl6989]

7NEWS Australia
@7NewsAustralia
There are now four cases of coronavirus confirmed in Australia, with three men announced to have the virus in NSW. #7NEWS

[The Westerner]

Thanks for reposting this. Perhaps once a day?

Anybody think it's risky to visit Disneyland at this early point given a two week incubation or infectious timeframe?

[mad_as_he$$]

The Spanish Flu was spread at a high rate by the gatherings for WW1 bond drives. Particularly in big cities. YMMV.

[PIF]

again you missed the point - those people without any obvious symptoms are contagious and cannot be tested; thus, the virus will continue to spread. So “the point is there is no way yet to determine who is sick until the symptoms manifest”

[grey_whiskers]

Hi I had insomnia so I'm up and posting again.

I couldn't find the 1.9 either, but I did find a downgrade to 2.5.

https://twitter.com/ferrisjabr/status/1220964588373430272

The truth is,

the situation within Wuhan is so chaotic

and the Chicoms lie so much

and there seems to be a Chicom crackdown on info coming out

and there are internet know-it-alls as well as panic-mongers

that it's hard to tell.

[grey_whiskers]

Notably, the government of the Henan province has warned residents from Zhengzhou and other cities to stay indoors for two-hour periods to allow aircraft to spray disinfectant over large areas, in order to prevent the virus from spreading there

Think of the approximate concentration, and the uneven dispersal of disinfectant sprayed from a plane in the open air.

This is

a) an admission of failure

b) the government desperately throwing *anything* at it

c) very bad. Bad wrong. Bdong. /Kung Pao : Enter the Fist>

Get ready to shelter in place. Not kidding.