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Obesity, heart disease, and diabetes may be communicable
medicalexpress ^ | 01/17/2020

Posted on 01/19/2020 7:16:35 AM PST by devane617

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To: fireman15

Both of my parents have had major heart attacks, my younger brother passed away a few months ago from a sudden heart attack; leaving me as the only one who hasn’t had one.

My mom’s heart disease is from an inherited trait of high lp(a) levels. At the recommendation of the ME who performed my brother’s autopsy I saw a cardiologist. My lp(a) levels are also high. I felt as though despite a radically different diet than the rest of my family I had, nevertheless, received a death sentence. The cardiologist ordered a cardiac CT scan to see just how bad my arteries are. The results surprised him-no calcification and no plaque build up. The nurse said it left him unsure of what to do next, based on family history and blood tests I should be in worse shape.

The major difference between how I eat vs my biological family probably affects my gut the most. I limit sugar and avoid corn syrup as much as possible. I also avoid artificial sweeteners and hydrogenated fats. I eat lots of vegetables and natural animal fats. The one vegetable oil I use is olive oil. We also drink (for the most part) raw milk, partially skimmed. I love fermented foods-sauerkraut, sourdough bread and kombucha.

It could also be divine intervention keeping me here for my younger kids. Who knows. But if the past 17 years of eating a somewhat natural, low sugar diet has helped; then I’m deeply grateful for the friend who gave me a copy of Sally Fallon’s “Nourishing Traditions.”


41 posted on 01/19/2020 8:37:46 AM PST by NorthstarMom
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To: devane617

If the science is good should that not be communicated?


42 posted on 01/19/2020 8:39:28 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: fireman15

>>So I doubt that any attempts will be made to isolate people with diseases that are currently considered to be not contagious for a long time.<<

This type of article is what causes a panic by the uninformed via social media or the old fashion gossip line. Imagine the possibility this article is picked up by a msm outlet and goes through the social media onslaught as we see so often. Although baseless at this time this type of information could cause real panic where suddenly people are for no reason isolated, taunted or other more serious treatments...


43 posted on 01/19/2020 8:42:01 AM PST by devane617 (Kyrie Eleison, where I'm going, will you follow?)
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To: 9YearLurker

>>If the science is good should that not be communicated?<<

Good science or not it could create a problem.


44 posted on 01/19/2020 8:44:19 AM PST by devane617 (Kyrie Eleison, where I'm going, will you follow?)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Right—and if it is a communicable gut bio issue, then that presumably can be ameliorated.


45 posted on 01/19/2020 8:46:15 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Well, if this is the case, I must share a microbiome with my dog.


46 posted on 01/19/2020 8:50:27 AM PST by glorgau
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To: fireman15

The only people that will be isolated will be American citizens...


47 posted on 01/19/2020 9:02:58 AM PST by Herodes
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To: devane617
Although baseless at this time this type of information could cause real panic where suddenly people are for no reason isolated, taunted or other more serious treatments...

Is this what happened to people suffering from peptic ulcers? Your fears are not likely to become reality any time soon. Even people sick and some dying from diseases that are known to be communicable are typically not isolated in our society these days. At the beginning of the HIV epidemic Cuba, a communist sh@t hole isolated people identified to be infected and maintained one of the lowest infection rates in the world for a decade.

The article you posted noted that 70% of deaths from disease are from causes currently are from illness not thought to be contiguous. If a massive amount of misery and death could be averted by taking proper precautions then that would obviously a good way to start. Unfortunately, our society currently makes few attempts to even isolate those with known contagious disease.

48 posted on 01/19/2020 9:04:21 AM PST by fireman15
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yes...antibiotics do change the gut. I know someone who was given them in the hospital without pro-biotics and he got c-diff. Finally after more than 2 weeks of c-diff he was given a fecal transplant which cured the c-diff symptoms.


49 posted on 01/19/2020 9:09:55 AM PST by Aria
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To: dp0622

Genetics certainly plays a part, as does choice (diet, exercise, alcohol, smoking, sleep, and on and on). History is replete with people supposedly in great shape who die young, and then there is someone like Keith Richards...who looks like death and probably should have died 40 yrs ago, who still rocks on. Some things you can control, some things you can’t.


50 posted on 01/19/2020 9:13:17 AM PST by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man, a subject.")
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To: devane617

I’m thinking potentially Alzheimer’s too. Anything with gut bugs is transmissible. Sleeping, eating, intimacy with others. Why else do fecal transplants work to heal people?


51 posted on 01/19/2020 9:14:57 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Georgia Girl 2

A microbiome is not the same as a microbone. Those poor guys.


52 posted on 01/19/2020 9:18:04 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: glorgau

LOL...I’d bet there’s a lot of truth in that. Know what you mean!


53 posted on 01/19/2020 9:28:41 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Out of curiosity, have you ever tried anything like the keto diet?


54 posted on 01/19/2020 9:33:14 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: devane617

But that doesn’t mean the truth shouldn’t be shared.

Gut biomes can be modified anyway.


55 posted on 01/19/2020 9:54:04 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: dp0622

Seriously excess sugar can wreak havoc beyond diabetes.


56 posted on 01/19/2020 9:56:05 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

No.
I’m skinny enough.


57 posted on 01/19/2020 10:03:20 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: devane617

Oh thank heavens. In the immortal words of Jake Blues “It wasn’t my fault...”.


58 posted on 01/19/2020 10:12:25 AM PST by stylin19a ((2016 - Best.Election.Of.All.Times.Ever.In.The.History.Of.Ever))
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I mean for the diabetes, not the weight loss.


59 posted on 01/19/2020 10:12:56 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Yaelle

“A microbiome is not the same as a microbone. Those poor guys.”

Think of their wives, FGS. “Where is it?”


60 posted on 01/19/2020 10:25:00 AM PST by JohnnyP (Thinking is hard work (I stole that from Rush).)
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