I am shocked.
Posted on 01/16/2020 2:51:09 PM PST by Mount Athos
Jeffrey Epstein had burst capillaries in his eyes suggesting he was murdered and did not hang himself, a forensic pathologist said in a yet-to-air interview with Dr. Oz.
In the clip, which was obtained by the Daily Mail before the episode is set to air Thursday, pathologist Dr. Michael Baden examines photographs of Epstein's eyes and legs and concludes that the convicted pedophile likely did not commit suicide.
According to the Daily Mail, Baden was present with other physicians in the room when Epstein's autopsy took place and argues it is "highly unusual that the cause of his death went from being undetermined — when it was first ruled — to suicide by hanging five days later."
Baden said he believes there are several "red flags" that suggest Epstein was murdered and did not kill himself.
Among those "red flags" are the burst capillaries in the eyes, which suggest manual strangulation, and the lack of any swelling or purple color to the legs.
"The blood settles after we die," Baden said. "If you're hanging, the lividity is on the lower part, on the legs, these would be maroon purple front and back, and they aren't."
Later, when examining Epstein's eyes, Baden said, "In a hanging, the arteries and the blood vessels, the veins are both clogged off and the person is pale. The face is pale."
'It suffocates you; no blood goes up there,' Dr. Oz. suggests.
'That's right. No blood coming in or out," Baden confirms. "With a manual strangulation, there's a backup of a pressure and the little capillaries can rupture and they're best seen in the eye."
Epstein was found dead in his prison cell on Aug. 10 in the Metropolitan Correctional Center. His death was officially ruled a suicide several days later.
But precarious details surrounding Epstein's death have fueled a slew of conspiracy theories, including the cameras surrounding Epstein's cell malfunctioning the night of his death, the two prison guards charged with watching Epstein's cell have been charged with federal crimes for falsifying prison records, and the fact that Epstein is missing from the only released crime scene photos of his cell.
Baden has previously commented on the suspicious absence of Epstein in the photos.
"There's no photograph taken of Mr. Epstein in the cell," Baden said.
"The forensic evidence released so far, including the autopsy, point much more to murder and strangulation than the suicide and suicidal hanging," Baden explained. "I hesitate to make a final opinion until all of the evidence is in."
History has proven over and over again Arkancide is not the same as murder.
Wait! What?!?! Epstein didn’t kill himself?!?!?!
I am shocked.
Adding Epstein to the Clinton kill list.
Bombshell..everyone knows that
I’m beginning to think Epstein didn’t kill himself.
Anna Nicole Smith killed Epstein....
Baden lies. He’s wrong on the bloodshot eyes. See page 3 at See page 3 - https://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/ops/training/other/DIR-Training/story_content/external_files/Strangulation%20Information.pdf
As Hillary would say, what does it matter now!
He is dead, intelligence agencies from around the world don’t want any investigations, especially US intelligence agencies as it would expose too many world political and financial leaders to scandal.
It would also take away the ability of those intelligence agencies to blackmail the rich and powerful into staying in line with various government policies.
Governments really don’t want to investigate this as they ran it or at least knowingly looked the other way in allowing it to happen.
It’s well known that Lolita Island and his other play houses were wired for video and sound. So what has happened to those recordings?
There were plenty of photos and videos of Lolita Island being sanitized for months before the FBI showed up to look for evidence.
You mean the FIB didn’t want to find evidence.
I’ll wager everything on the island was fried with rf energy. I’ll further bet that not a single piece of electronics worked including cars.
These findings seem to be obvious, pathologic evidences pointing to murder.
So what’s with the NYC Coroner? Did she see these findings?
What’s her response?
Where’s the final autopsy report?
Probably in the same place as the FIB’s report on the “malfunctioning” camera system.
That's a little strong.
Here's what it says:
"Note: The presence of petechiae helps to show whether a person committed suicide by hanging or was hanged by someone else to make a murder look like a suicide. If petechiae are found in a person hanging, it is a strong indicator that the person was still alive when hanged. None of this is absolute: The presence of petechiae does not prove strangulation, and the absence of petechiae does not disprove strangulation"
This "note" is poorly written and ambiguous, to me.
The real question is: What is the sensitivity and specificity of petechial bleeds in the eyes for ligature strangulation. Those data are not given in the pdf.
Actually, it is the *specificity* that counts.
Petechial bleeds can occur (evidently) with both ligature strangulation and hanging. However, how much more often does this bleeding occur with a ligature, as compared to hanging? This is the figure we need in order to tilt our assessment one way or another
These guards may be a weak link.
They should be very afraid.
If they are in on the conspiracy, I can’t imagine that they are not, the fact that they are charged with a Federal crime makes the likelihood that they will turn state’s evidence possible.
The people that kill to cover their crimes don’t leave such things to chance.
Epstein’s fate shows that being in a Federal prison is no guarantee of your survival.
I learned my ME stuff on TV. Blood shot eyes or pytechia always mean homocide especially when there is a broken hyoid bone.
it was homocide, no doubt about it
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