Posted on 11/25/2019 1:49:35 AM PST by NorseViking
WASHINGTON — Republicans have sought for weeks amid the impeachment inquiry to shift attention to President Donald Trump’s demands that Ukraine investigate any 2016 election meddling, defending it as a legitimate concern while Democrats accuse Trump of pursuing fringe theories for his benefit.
The Republican defense of Trump became central to the impeachment proceedings when Fiona Hill, a respected Russia scholar and former senior White House official, added a harsh critique during testimony Thursday. She told some of Trump’s fiercest defenders in Congress that they were repeating “a fictional narrative” — and that it likely came from a disinformation campaign by Russian security services, which themselves propagated it.
In a briefing that closely aligned with Hill’s testimony, U.S. intelligence officials informed senators and their aides in recent weeks that Russia had engaged in a yearslong campaign to essentially frame Ukraine as responsible for Moscow’s own hacking of the 2016 election, according to three U.S. officials. The briefing came as Republicans stepped up their defenses of Trump in the Ukraine affair.
The revelations demonstrate Russia’s persistence in trying to sow discord among its adversaries — and show that the Kremlin apparently succeeded, as unfounded claims about Ukrainian interference seeped into Republican talking points. U.S. intelligence agencies believe Moscow is likely to redouble its efforts as the 2020 presidential campaign intensifies. The classified briefing for senators also focused on Russia’s evolving influence tactics, including its growing ability to better disguise operations.
Russia has engaged in a “long pattern of deflection” to pin blame for its malevolent acts on other countries, Hill said, not least Ukraine, a former Soviet republic. Since Ukraine won independence in 1991, Russia has tried to reassert influence there, meddling in its politics, maligning pro-Western leaders and accusing Ukrainian critics of Moscow of fascist leanings.
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Ah, sorry. I thought you are talking about Facebook trolls.
The document you posted hints Hillary’s emails were stolen and used against her campaign although I see no evidence linking alleged wrongdoing to exact people they claim did it.
Read the indictment in full and if you have a specific question regarding a person etc just post it.
I did. Still think it’s baseless. Where are the evidence to support indictment? How did they linked it to the exact people behind their nicknames? And even if all of the above is true these guys did people a favor. How exposing corruption is a bad thing?
False premise. We don’t have to choose, they’re both involved.
Hackers from the Dutch intelligence service AIVD have provided the FBI with crucial information about Russian interference with the American elections. For years, AIVD had access to the infamous Russian hacker group Cozy Bear. And unbeknownst to the Russians, they could see everything...
https://www.volkskrant.nl/wetenschap/dutch-agencies-provide-crucial-intel-about-russia-s-interference-in-us-elections~b4f8111b ...and record it.
I got the idea but not convinced so far. Even if it is true I don’t think they did a bad thing. Also even based on presented factoid the link between their actions and elections is somehow thought up. How exposing a corruption is a bad thing?
The law protects personal communications but there are might be exceptions and wiretaps are legal under certain conditions. The reason? Committing a crime is not a part of personal life.
The same might be applied to hackers exposing political corruption.
Not by the letter of law but by the spirit of justice in this case.
For sure they did not violate Russian law, but you can be assured that the violated US law, and that is the relevant issue here.
If you are convinced or not is immaterial, it is an issue for the court in the US.
The law and justice is not the same thing. The latter is a priority and so is exposing corruption.
Like this:
In what BBC Russia says is possibly “the largest data leak in the history of the work of Russian special services on the Internet,” hackers stole 7.5 terabytes of data from a major contractor of Russia's Federal Security Service.
I have no idea what was stolen, who did it or for what purpose in that case.
We are now discussing another leak.
Let’s rise above legal formalities. Let’s agree there was a hacking of Democrat emails by Russian officers and they exposed Clinton corruption.
What is the damage for you as an American citizen?
I believe none.
It is more like to the benefits of the Americans. It is useful to be informed on that even by the Russians in light of fact that the domestic agencies are factually the arms of DNC and don’t care about Democrat corruption.
Are American intelligence officers liable to criminal charges when they engage in espionage for the United States?
I’m asking because that is essentially what your pal Mueller is alleging against the GRU officers named.
Do the Dutch also know who hacked Hillary Clinton bathroom server?
Why not?
Leaving aside the empirical evidence that it was an inside job, the notion that Russian intelligence hacked the DNC server filled with politics and gossip, but left the Clinton bathroom server filled with classified state secrets untouched is absurd.
Then again the entire premise that the Russians ‘meddled’ in the 2016 US elections is a hoax, and the folks peddling that crap are domestic enemies, one and all.
Let’s be fair. If you were a military contractor and had some really dated tech stuff on a bathroom server and it is hacked by the Russians we know the outcome.
Nobody would ever bothered with the Russians because it is what they do.
And you’d end up in prison and for a long time.
Hitlery and democrats are living by another rules.
No, not in the US, unless they violate the regulations. You have similar procedures for your operators.
You may ask them https://www.aivd.nl/contact
You still didn’t answer the question. If the ‘wrongdoing’ took place and by the Russian military officers no less what is the damage to you as a patriotic American unless you are a corrupt Democrat?
There is no real crime without damage.
You asked if it was a crime and a damage:
I just post one from page 19:
To knowingly access a computer without authorization and exceed authorized access to a computer, and to obtain thereby information from a protected computer,
where the value of the information obtained exceeded $5,000, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1030(a)(2)(C) and 1030(c)(2)(B)
For more examples read the full text https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download
FYI: Congress creates and passes bills. The president then may sign those bills into law.
I am familiar with legal definitions but government often criminalizes stuff which is not really criminal based on more universal terms. In this exact case the law protects democrat corruption and the perpetrators are exposing it.
What is more important for you as an American citizen?
Is it more important to you to have democrat corruption covered or maybe it is not your interest at all?
Naturally, the most important is “Equality before the law”
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