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Charges of Ukrainian Meddling? A Russian Operation, U.S. Intelligence Says (Barf)
NYT ^ | November 24, 2019

Posted on 11/25/2019 1:49:35 AM PST by NorseViking

WASHINGTON — Republicans have sought for weeks amid the impeachment inquiry to shift attention to President Donald Trump’s demands that Ukraine investigate any 2016 election meddling, defending it as a legitimate concern while Democrats accuse Trump of pursuing fringe theories for his benefit.

The Republican defense of Trump became central to the impeachment proceedings when Fiona Hill, a respected Russia scholar and former senior White House official, added a harsh critique during testimony Thursday. She told some of Trump’s fiercest defenders in Congress that they were repeating “a fictional narrative” — and that it likely came from a disinformation campaign by Russian security services, which themselves propagated it.

In a briefing that closely aligned with Hill’s testimony, U.S. intelligence officials informed senators and their aides in recent weeks that Russia had engaged in a yearslong campaign to essentially frame Ukraine as responsible for Moscow’s own hacking of the 2016 election, according to three U.S. officials. The briefing came as Republicans stepped up their defenses of Trump in the Ukraine affair.

The revelations demonstrate Russia’s persistence in trying to sow discord among its adversaries — and show that the Kremlin apparently succeeded, as unfounded claims about Ukrainian interference seeped into Republican talking points. U.S. intelligence agencies believe Moscow is likely to redouble its efforts as the 2020 presidential campaign intensifies. The classified briefing for senators also focused on Russia’s evolving influence tactics, including its growing ability to better disguise operations.

Russia has engaged in a “long pattern of deflection” to pin blame for its malevolent acts on other countries, Hill said, not least Ukraine, a former Soviet republic. Since Ukraine won independence in 1991, Russia has tried to reassert influence there, meddling in its politics, maligning pro-Western leaders and accusing Ukrainian critics of Moscow of fascist leanings.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: 1991; chalupa; fionahill; georgesoros; impeachment; perjurer; perjury; russia; ukraine
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To: nuconvert

Okay:)


21 posted on 11/25/2019 5:48:51 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking
I was wondering where he went.

Lies, all lies. The Russians did it.

22 posted on 11/25/2019 5:52:33 AM PST by McGruff (Does no one is above the law apply to Democrats?)
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To: nuconvert
Joe Biden’s decision to pressure Ukraine into firing its top prosecutor, who was investigating an oil and gas conglomerate that employed the former vice president’s son, came shortly after the company lobbied the Obama White House to end the probe.

https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/11/04/report-joe-biden-pressured-ukraine-to-fire-top-prosecutor-after-burisma-lobbying-effort/

Russian disinformation?

23 posted on 11/25/2019 5:56:50 AM PST by McGruff (Does no one is above the law apply to Democrats?)
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To: NorseViking

Everyone knows Russia interfered in the 2016 election. We also now know that Ukraine also interfered in the 2016 election. Both countries did so with the intention of getting Clinton elected.


24 posted on 11/25/2019 5:58:23 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (When you think about what the left is doing to America, think no further than Cloward-Piven)
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To: McGruff

For major Kong types everything like that is.


25 posted on 11/25/2019 6:10:12 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

So, by saying “okay”, does that mean you agree with what I posted in #20 post on this thread?


26 posted on 11/25/2019 6:18:26 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

Nope, see post #25.


27 posted on 11/25/2019 6:25:21 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

“Nope”

That’s what I thought.
A pro-Russia, Putin lover couldn’t agree with my post #20.
At least your answer was honest and in keeping with your pro-Russia, pro Putin sentiments since you first signed up on FR.


28 posted on 11/25/2019 6:39:17 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: NorseViking

The Sam intelligence that said if JFK killed of Diem there would be no Vietnam War?
The same intelligence that said there were WMDs in Iraq and we’d be greeted as liberators?


29 posted on 11/25/2019 7:05:04 AM PST by hecht (america 9/11, Israel 24/7)
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To: NorseViking; nuconvert
@NorseViking: You either trust Fionna Hill or your lying eyes.

I do not know about you, but I trust Dr. Fiona Hill.
30 posted on 11/25/2019 11:40:38 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

I am not surprised:)


31 posted on 11/25/2019 11:49:41 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

Here are 29 pages to read https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

any familiar names?

For your information AIVD assisted in the collection of the evidence. If you are interested I can tell you more.


32 posted on 11/25/2019 2:17:52 PM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

More thought criminals?


33 posted on 11/25/2019 6:45:42 PM PST by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

Can you rephrase that question?


34 posted on 11/26/2019 12:03:12 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

It is irrelevant outside of context.
The problem is treadstarter glorifies Simon Ostrovsky - a Soros journalist and at an unrelated video I posted the person in question scolded another person for the suggestion that Muslims need to follow the traditions of host countries to be successful. Ostrovsky was enraged by such an idea.


35 posted on 11/26/2019 12:18:15 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: AdmSmith

Sorry, wrong tread.
Regarding your post what exactly is wrong with these people even if they do exist? Everybody has a right to share their opinion. The message and not the message is important.


36 posted on 11/26/2019 12:54:27 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

Sorry, not the messenger.


37 posted on 11/26/2019 12:55:13 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking
Regarding your post what exactly is wrong with these people even if they do exist?

Who are you talking about?
38 posted on 11/26/2019 4:47:37 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

Your post #32.


39 posted on 11/26/2019 4:54:17 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking
Regarding your post what exactly is wrong with these people even if they do exist?

from the indictment:
Defendants Viktor Borisovich Netyksho, Boris Alekseyevich Antonov, Dmitriy Sergeyevich Badin, Ivan Sergeyevich Yermakov, Aleksey Viktorovich Lukashev, Sergey Aleksandrovich Morgachev, Nikolay Yuryevich Kozachek, Pavel Vyacheslavovich Yershov, Artem Andreyevich Malyshev, Aleksandr Vladimirovich Osadchuk, and Aleksey Aleksandrovich Potemkin were GRU officers who knowingly and intentionally conspired with each other, and with persons known and unknown to the Grand Jury (collectively the “Conspirators”), to gain unauthorized access (to “hack”) into the computers of U.S. persons and entities involved in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, steal documents from those computers, and stage releases of the stolen documents to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

You can read the full indictment including a list of violations here
https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

40 posted on 11/26/2019 5:11:01 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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