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Mathematicians Have Discovered an Entirely New Way to Multiply Large Numbers
Science Alert ^ | 10/17/19 | Peter Dockrill

Posted on 10/22/2019 2:00:33 AM PDT by LibWhacker

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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

I assume this means that computer algorithms will compute faster, meaning software can be written that is faster and more efficient, speeding computers up without boosting IP the hardware.

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I’m not sure. Don’t computers do something like bit shifting for multiplication? Too bad the article didn’t make it clear.


21 posted on 10/22/2019 4:39:33 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: LibWhacker

Think what the calculus has done for us. It took well over a thousand years to come up with it.

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The bits and pieces of calculus were known during that time, such as the method of exhaustion.

Would Newton and Leibniz have developed calculus if there weren’t physics problems they wanted to solve?

Math languished for centuries until Christian Western civilization found a need to develop it more.


22 posted on 10/22/2019 4:54:11 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
From Wiki:

Applications of the Schönhage–Strassen algorithm include mathematical empiricism, such as the Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search and computing approximations of π, as well as practical applications such as Kronecker substitution, in which multiplication of polynomials with integer coefficients can be efficiently reduced to large integer multiplication; this is used in practice by GMP-ECM for Lenstra elliptic curve factorization

23 posted on 10/22/2019 4:58:15 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

I doubt it will have any practical effect on routine calculations. Computers use hardware multipliers that are effectively just like the multiplication tables you learned in school, just with bigger tables. The resolution of most practical calculations is far less than few score decades. For instance expressing the national debt to the nearest penny only requires sixteen digits, currently about $22,920,314,419,523.31. The total number of seconds since the birth of Christ can be express with 11 decimal places, currently 63,739,036,477.

The expense of applying “faster” algorithms probably will never be cost effect on these scales. This kind of math is only useful for things like number theory and its cousin cryptology.


24 posted on 10/22/2019 4:58:48 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Be vewy, vewy quiet. Adam Fudd is hunting Wussians!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
"I have never done anything "useful". No discovery of mine has made, or is likely to make, directly or indirectly, for good or ill, the least difference to the amenity of the world."
-- G.H. Hardy, noted British mathematician
25 posted on 10/22/2019 5:04:43 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: Moonman62

btt


26 posted on 10/22/2019 5:06:32 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY (The media is corrupt)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Actually, there are an infinite number smaller as well.


27 posted on 10/22/2019 5:26:25 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: LibWhacker
"Mathematicians Have Discovered an Entirely New Way to Multiply Large Numbers"


28 posted on 10/22/2019 5:34:47 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneoWhat will it take to get her investigated for immigration fraud involving a marriage t)
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To: LibWhacker

“For most of us, the way we multiply relatively small numbers is by remembering our times tables – an incredibly handy aid first pioneered by the Babylonians some 4,000 years ago.”

Let me update the above:

“For most of us, the way we multiply relatively small numbers is by remembering our times tables – an incredibly handy aid first pioneered by the Babylonians some 4,000 years ago, but NO LONGER considered necessary by today’s ‘enlightened’ public schools (the same schools that most conservatives send their kids to) in the United States which instead rely on ‘technology’ to do the calculations.”


29 posted on 10/22/2019 5:43:15 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't te Don'tll anyone.)
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To: LibWhacker

re: “Think what the calculus has done for us. It took well over a thousand years to come up with it.”

LOST in time: The Antikythera Mechanism.


30 posted on 10/22/2019 5:47:15 AM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: LibWhacker

re: “Mathematicians Have Discovered an Entirely New Way to Multiply Large Numbers”

Adding. Logarithms. ?


31 posted on 10/22/2019 5:52:26 AM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: aquila48

Another game in search of grant $$$$$$.


32 posted on 10/22/2019 5:57:14 AM PDT by bgill
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To: LibWhacker

Mathematicians Have Discovered an Entirely New Way to Multiply Large Numbers

It is called Common Core.
Any answer is correct..... : )


33 posted on 10/22/2019 5:57:43 AM PDT by minnesota_bound (homeless guy. He just has more money....)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Infinity plus one! Ha!


34 posted on 10/22/2019 6:03:22 AM PDT by Quality_Not_Quantity (A law means nothing if it isnÂ’t followed.)
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To: Rennes Templar

“How will they know it’s correct?”

Like many of us who took high school math, we had to show our proof, unlike me who usually answered choice C and had a 25% chance the answer was correct.


35 posted on 10/22/2019 6:16:10 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (When you think about what the left is doing to America, think no further than Cloward-Piven)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Computers will just continue using the shift and add method required of binary numbers. It takes a maximum number of operations as there are bits in the number.


36 posted on 10/22/2019 6:49:55 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: NTHockey

No, I need more than three significant digits.


37 posted on 10/22/2019 6:51:22 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: LibWhacker
But what if the numbers get bigger?

Well duh...


38 posted on 10/22/2019 6:54:20 AM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: Moonman62
Yes, computers use shift and add for multiplication. It is done by hardware, not software in large scale processors. This takes a maximum number of operations equal to the number of bits in the word. Given a 64 bit word and a 2.7 GHz clock, that is not much time.

Some hardware uses more exotic logic where multiplication is done using the same technique, but no clocking is needed. For that hardware the time is known as propagation delay.

39 posted on 10/22/2019 6:55:35 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: IronJack

I was a little too glib. I confined myself to positive integers. There are no general algorithms that allow one to multiply irrational numbers*. There is no way to multiply pi by two because there is no exact way to express pi in a finite number of digits. In computers irrational numbers are always approximated by some binary fractional expression.

*Infinite repeating fractions can be expressed as rational numbers, of course, and algebraic numbers (like phi, for instance) can be expressed as other algebraic numbers.


40 posted on 10/22/2019 7:07:40 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Be vewy, vewy quiet. Adam Fudd is hunting Wussians!)
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