Posted on 08/21/2019 10:23:03 AM PDT by Monrose72
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Wednesday that his administration was seriously looking at ending the right of citizenship for U.S.-born children of noncitizens and people who immigrated to the United States illegally. Were looking at that very seriously, birthright citizenship, where you have a baby on our land, you walk over the border, have a baby - congratulations, the baby is now a U.S. citizen. ... Its frankly ridiculous, Trump told reporters outside the White House. Trump has made cracking down on immigration a central plank of his presidency and re-election campaign, but many of the administrations sweeping rule changes and executive orders have been stymied by the courts.
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“But an amendment to the Constitution is the only way around birth right citizenship.”
14th amendment:
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof...”
“subject to the jurisdiction thereof”
Looks like it precludes what is commonly called “birthright
citizenship.”
Birthright citizenship is a term that has been hi-jacked to refer to people entering illegally and giving birth on American soil. The birth is due to an illegal act and not as a result of due process establishing jurisdiction.
I was entitled to birthright citizenship, for example, because my parents are citizens.
The idea that the writers of the 14th amendment ever dreamed that their words would be twisted to mean what is claimed now would make them roll over in their graves, especially since they ruled it out in commentary on the law they had written.
I think it was about 1927 before American Indians were given citizenship to the United States even though they had been born in the land area long before we were. The 14th amendment was adopted about 1865 (for former slaves).
Exclusive: Trump to terminate birthright citizenship
One or two or more Supreme Court judges who are true Constitutionalists, judges who love and revere the same, could make it happen!
Just as some of our leftist idiots, in black robes, found a right to kill the unborn (now including the recently born) in the Constitution to be interpreted as our right to privacy, should include a mothers desire to murder her unborn baby, as her private decision, might also include a clear reading of that amendment, that for decades did NOT include uninvited illegal alien women, who sneak over either border or cross any ocean, just to have their baby does not grant that child all the rights and privileges of citizens is wrong!
I know Im stepping out on a limb to presume that Chief Justice Roberts would honestly read all writings by those who crafted this amendment, a risky proposition I know. Who knows, even he might stand up for our Constitution and realize that the sole purpose of conferring citizenship of the offspring of the U.S. slaves, following the Emancipation Proclamation, immediately granting freedom but also citizenship, as were their children! These rights were intended for the babies or children of those slaves and not for others.
I doubt an Executive order is the needed fix. 14th §5 clearly give Congress the power to craft implementing law here. Win us a Trump friendly Congress and DJT can push his case to them. He also can further improve the prospects for its judicial review.. At a minimum it would start the public opinion chipping away at the century old unchallenged assumption that de facto was de Jure and start building public support for an Amendment fix if the courts insist on that.
Wish him all the luck. But an amendment to the Constitution is the only way around birth right citizenship.”””
I do NOT think an amendment is necessary.
The 14th Amendment has been bastardized with wrong interpretations for many years.
The 14th Amendment was meant to make children of slaves USA citizens. It was passed & ratified after the Civil War , in the 1800’s. It is NOT a new law. Look at the exact working & the events of the time in which it was passed and see what the 14th is meant to be doing.
It NEVER was meant for invaders to this country to whelp their kid on USA soil & grant that baby automatic citizenship.
It was wrong the first time it happened, and it has been even MORE wrong ever since.
Wish him all the luck. But an amendment to the Constitution is the only way around birth right citizenship.”””
I do NOT think an amendment is necessary.
The 14th Amendment has been bastardized with wrong interpretations for many years.
The 14th Amendment was meant to make children of slaves USA citizens. It was passed & ratified after the Civil War , in the 1800’s. It is NOT a new law. Look at the exact wording & the events of the time in which it was passed and see what the 14th is meant to be doing.
It NEVER was meant for invaders to this country to whelp their kid on USA soil & grant that baby automatic citizenship.
It was wrong the first time it happened, and it has been even MORE wrong ever since.
This language was to make children of slaves USA citizens.
NOTHING MORE.
Certainly NOT to allow pregnant invaders to whelp their offspring on USA soil & be ranted automatic citizenship for the child.
Read the 14th in the times in which it was written & ratified.
wrong. The XIV Amendment was passed to make citizens of about 4.2 million ex slaves. This was seen as the only realistic way around the Dred Scott decision. That SCOTUS decision stated that there was no way that a slave or an ex slave could become a citizen of the United States.
What it’s intent was in immaterial, the court looks at what is written. What is written seems to support birth right citizenship. Not my interpretation, the courts over the last 100 years or so.
The court should take a look at the issue of “jurisdiction of the United States”. That may be a way to nullify the birth right clause of the amendment.
This will make even more heads explode. Cleanup on aisle 13.
This is not the first time weve seen him threaten to do this. People get geeked up-Fired up-pumped up-then he doesnt do it. Even if he did-it would be shot down by a federal judge in a minute-but I doubt seriously if this is anything more than a pep rally.
Obama's occupation of the White House did that. But, take a breath, all. Thanks Monrose72.
No, it was to make the ex slaves citizens.
OMG - that would be wonderful... Oh please God - let this happen...
You are confusing criminal justice jurisdiction with the obligations between a citizen and the state.
I probably was. Thanks for setting me straight, WR.
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