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Trump says he is seriously looking at ending birthright citizenship
Reuters ^ | 08-21-19 | Jeff Mason

Posted on 08/21/2019 10:23:03 AM PDT by Monrose72

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Wednesday that his administration was seriously looking at ending the right of citizenship for U.S.-born children of noncitizens and people who immigrated to the United States illegally. “We’re looking at that very seriously, birthright citizenship, where you have a baby on our land, you walk over the border, have a baby - congratulations, the baby is now a U.S. citizen. ... It’s frankly ridiculous,” Trump told reporters outside the White House. Trump has made cracking down on immigration a central plank of his presidency and re-election campaign, but many of the administration’s sweeping rule changes and executive orders have been stymied by the courts.

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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Unlike freed slaves who were not citizens of another county and who were “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” the children of illegal alien citizens, illegal aliens who are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States are not to be granted birthright citizenship.


41 posted on 08/21/2019 10:47:41 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (Freeper formerly known as WMarshal.......)
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To: Monrose72

DO IT !!!!!!


42 posted on 08/21/2019 10:48:45 AM PDT by bantam
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To: Monrose72

This is what electing a real leader looks like.

Just do it Mr. President.


43 posted on 08/21/2019 10:48:50 AM PDT by Bullish (My tagline ran off with another man.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

and subject to the jurisdiction thereof
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Foreigners are subject to the jurisdiction of their home country.

The authors specifically said this did not apply to foreigners.


44 posted on 08/21/2019 10:49:16 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: mlo

Among countless legal tretises on the subject available on line, please see:

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/birthright-citizenship-fundamental-misunderstanding-the-14th-amendment

“Birthright Citizenship: A Fundamental Misunderstanding of the 14th Amendment”

It is “assumed” law, not “settled” law.


45 posted on 08/21/2019 10:50:42 AM PDT by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: dp0622
It's about time. Birthright citizenship has ZERO basis in law. Getting there demands misconstruction of the 14th amendment.

As we know from this history of courts and the 2nd amendment, courts are expert at misconstruction.

Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982) -- Footnote 10

46 posted on 08/21/2019 10:52:38 AM PDT by Cboldt
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All Trump has to do is agree to a treaty to harmonize our treatment of the matter with some country that clearly prohibits anchor baby citizenship then get McConnell to prevent the treaty from getting a ratification vote.

Unless or until a vote is held, the proposed treaty is the law of the land.

Whatever the eventual outcome, in the interim it would create uncertainty for illegals plotting their trip.


47 posted on 08/21/2019 10:52:48 AM PDT by FirstFlaBn
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
People who are here illegally are not "subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

There is an argument for people here legally, as long as they are not part of a diplomatic mission, but illegals are not.

For example, an illegal can not be drafted into the military. A citizen can. A legal resident may volunteer. But an illegal alien may not. They are not subject to the jurisdiction.

48 posted on 08/21/2019 10:53:23 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Human beings don't behave rationally. We rationalize our behavior.)
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To: RummyChick
-- It appears he thinks he can do it by Executive Order --

If so, the EO would be nothing more than the vehicle to get the issue in front of SCOTUS. The issue has to get there somehow, and step one is to deny some anchor baby citizenship, and that denial has to preceded by some order that reverses standing practice.

49 posted on 08/21/2019 10:54:42 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts; RummyChick
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

"and subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

Why was that phrase put there? Is someone who entered the US in violation of US laws "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States? Or of the country he came from? How about people who give birth here while being a tourist?

50 posted on 08/21/2019 10:54:46 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: Monrose72

Hope he can do it.


51 posted on 08/21/2019 10:55:38 AM PDT by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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To: Monrose72

This would be one of the greatest things any President could do for the country.


52 posted on 08/21/2019 10:58:50 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Bull Snipe
By way of example, it didn't take an amendement to the 2nd amendmendment to dispose of the "collective rights" theory that reigned supreme in the federal courts for about 50 years.

Could SCOTUS find that it erred in Roe v. Wade? That there is no right to abortion in the constitution? Or how about no right to homo marriage in there either.

What the court hallucinates into being, the court can take away. See too, birthright citizenship.

53 posted on 08/21/2019 11:04:36 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Monrose72

Please let this be accomplished ASAP!

“birthright citizenship” is explicitly NOT what our Founders provided for our country!

and it has done us a great deal of harm!


54 posted on 08/21/2019 11:05:44 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ( “Politicians are not born; they are excreted.” Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: mlo
-- Do you also think a president can redefine the 2nd amendment through an executive order? --

He can if SCOTUS goes along with it. Courts redefine and hallucinate things into being on a regular basis. The RKBA is a great example of that.

55 posted on 08/21/2019 11:06:14 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
and subject to the jurisdiction thereof

Depends on what that means.

56 posted on 08/21/2019 11:08:47 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Cboldt

What the court hallucinates into being, the court can take away.
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That would make an awesome tagline.


57 posted on 08/21/2019 11:09:23 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Cboldt

Thank you


58 posted on 08/21/2019 11:11:27 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Monrose72

...and make it retroactive.


59 posted on 08/21/2019 11:17:58 AM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches, and get with what's real.)
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To: Monrose72

DO IT! DO IT NOW!!!


60 posted on 08/21/2019 11:18:39 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (You can vote your way into socialism but you have to shoot your way out of it.)
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