Posted on 08/12/2019 7:35:28 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
Toyota, Ford plan to keep hybrids as core part of their lineups, showing split in auto industry
“If I had a dollar more to invest, would I spend it on a hybrid? Or would I spend it on the answer that we all know is going to happen, and get there faster and better than anybody else?” GM President Mark Reuss
Last week, Continental AG , one of the world’s biggest car-parts makers, said it would cut investment in conventional engine parts because of a faster-than-expected fall in demand—yet another sign the industry is accelerating the shift to electric vehicles.
Today, auto companies generally lose money on each electric car they sell, mostly because of the high cost of lithium-ion batteries.
VW and GM are focused on all-electric cars largely because of China, where new regulations require car companies to sell a minimum number of zero-emissions vehicles to avoid financial penalties.
or now, both hybrids and electric cars are more expensive to produce than comparable gas-powered vehicles. A hybrid system can add roughly $2,000 to a vehicle’s cost, while a fully electric version is an additional $6,000 to $10,000
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When I hear ev numbers, I usually find they use the industry lie of $5 gas and 6.5 cent electricity. National average electricity is 12.5 with 21 cents in northern regions. Gas, of course, hovers at $2.50.
Using real numbers, most ev cars get at best 25 MPGe. Toss in the extra cost of those cars and it’s a total loss.
The earlier of the two,classed as a "compact",easily got 53mpg on the highway.The more recent of the two,classed as "mid size",easily gets 48mpg on the highway.
Both are much nicer and better equipped than a Prius.
I don’t drive enough to worry about fuel consumption.
4 wheel drive adds weight but it doesn’t often get stuck.
When it does, it’s usually operator error. The answer to your question is neither.
Ditto many areas of Vermont...at least the parts visible from I-91 and I-89.
Using real numbers, most ev cars get at best 25 MPGe.
Can you show your work with real-world numbers?
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The stupid electric cars are here due to government meddling in the firstplace.
Government giving away stolen tax money to fools so they would buy death dealing toy cars.
Governs least ?????
Yep, they claim it can cut fuel consumption by almost half. This is how the train locomotives work too. It’s a good system and is very simple, practical, and efficient. I have no idea why they are so absolutely stuck on using batteries, grants, awards. an write offs maybe? I have been searching for a diagram of a battery-less design like that for over an hour now and can’t find one. You just gave me a new source direction to look at. Thank you!
Found a video showing the drivetrain, simple... Engine/generator/electric motor drive.
Oil refineries consume huge amounts of energy and also pollute; at least with electricity, there is a single source of energy. Air emissions are down due to clean coal, more use of natural gas, and renewable initiatives. The Tesla Model 3 extended range has a 310 mile travel range. The big car manufacturers have abandoned EV’s because they can’t compete and probably don’t want to compete.
Nope, there is an increase in efficiency and the generator doesn't have to be that big. Motor either, exact same size as current hybrid vehicles. and that added weight is offset because the engine can be smaller yet produce the same power output to the wheels and the transmission can removed from the drivetrain altogether and the huge one... NO BATTERIES, so the system would be extremely lighter than current hybrids.
I have stating for 30 years that we should have gone to everything Diesel over electric 50 years ago. This is a Dozer but it gives you an idea how the system works and it would have the same advantages even in a much smaller package. Even as small as motorcycles.
https://www.equipmentworld.com/diesel-electric-and-other-hybrid-construction-equipment-are-waging-war-on-wasted-energy/
https://youtu.be/UYBY1k5MhAU
Big car companies have NOT abandoned EVs, and they have no choice other than TO compete. The ultimate driver for EVs is Governments, not auto manufactures, they don’t have much of a choice in the matter.
Okay, here is the million dollar idea that someone here can take and run with. I just want 1% of the gross.
Electric vehicles will not take off until chargers are at least as convenient as gas pumps. The whole “charge at home” will not suffice for many users so...
Any commercial establishment that WANTS customers to hang around for at least 20 minutes (that seems to be the current (ha) time required for an 80% charge) should have charging stations in their parking lot. The wife and I started listing establishment where this could work...
1. Grocery stores
2. Restaurants
3. Bars
4. Amusement parks/water parks
5. Movie theaters
I could go on, but you get the idea.
Restaurants along the interstate could advertise free charging for their customers.
Grocery stores could be a good alternative to having a charging station at your home. Most people go to a grocery store at least a couple of times a week.
Once it becomes obvious to even the most hardened anti-electric vehicle holdouts that there are charging stations almost everywhere, THEN it will get the over 80% market penetration it needs.
Anyway, whoever starts a charging station company and convinces the above listed places to install them will make a mint.
This post should not be considered an endorsement of electric vehicles in general. I think it is a stupid, knee jerk movement, but hey, if they are going to be stupid enough to force them on us, might as well make a buck.
I disagree.
It is clear that there is not and will not be enough electric power to move a great number of electric cars.
And there is nothing on the table to increase production, none.
Therefore I am not giving up my gas powered car because the agenda is to remove people from private transportation.
Screw ‘em!
Yeah ok you got me. In 10 minutes l can put enough fuel in my car to go 450 miles.,sheesh you have to be careful how you put things on this board and l’m as guilty as anyone.
might as well make a buck.
And nothing wrong with that!
The lesser Superchargers can put out 72kW. Some way more!
DuPage residential electric is ~$.17 kW, less for commercial.
One hour at the max output(never happen) $.17 * 72= $12.24.
Maybe one of the places where guys pay $200.00+ for $10 champagne? Each bottle you purchase comes with 20 minutes of ‘FREE’ charging?
No thanks, if there isn’t 3 pedals on the floor, I ain’t buying.
I never heard of anyone leasing a Prius?
To each his own.
Astro Van! A fine choice!
You cannot beat that v6 to death with a club!
A friend was always proud of the abuse he heaps on his work vehicles, put over 125k on a set of plugs and it started to miss. Was he proud of the plugs, the ground electrodes were all but gone on most of the set. That did not cure the miss it was the fuel filter!
He said, had he known he would have cleaned the plugs and put them back in service! Now hanging on his shop wall.
Just take the ev manufacturer electric charge, toss in the actual miles as reported on various web sites, use real world gas and electric costs, then you’ll find the real MPGe. Even easier is to take manufacturer MPGe numbers, their gas and electric costs, and you’ll come to the 25MPGe just the same.
“My family and I are averaging 52 MPG on four Toyota Prius cars.”
No disrespect, but the MPG figures for hybrids vary greatly based upon the type of driving people do and their driving style. It varies so much that the quoted MPG that gets used to offset fleet MPG for the CAFA standards are pretty much arbitrary.
NIRO (PHEV)
Very nice!
My wife selected the Prius V as her retirement car.
Our grandkids live in both a near (20m) and a far(60 min) suburb, and she might visit both a couple of times in a day! Mostly local type driving.
Who cares!
I like diesel.
Too bad about what VW did to diesel.
Our son drives 100 miles each way five days a week.
He loved his VW diesel until they bought it back.
But the VW DSG trans could eat any fuel savings, $450 at the dealer.
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