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One giant ... lie? Why so many people still think the moon landings were faked
The Guardian ^ | 07-10-2019 | Richard Godwin

Posted on 07/10/2019 10:21:39 AM PDT by NRx

It took 400,000 Nasa employees and contractors to put Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin on the moon in 1969 – but only one man to spread the idea that it was all a hoax. His name was Bill Kaysing.

It began as “a hunch, an intuition”, before turning into “a true conviction” – that the US lacked the technical prowess to make it to the moon (or, at least, to the moon and back). Kaysing had actually contributed to the US space programme, albeit tenuously: between 1956 and 1963, he was an employee of Rocketdyne, a company that helped to design the Saturn V rocket engines. In 1976, he self-published a pamphlet called We Never Went to the Moon: America’s Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle, which sought evidence for his conviction by means of grainy photocopies and ludicrous theories. Yet somehow he established a few perennials that are kept alive to this day in Hollywood movies and Fox News documentaries, Reddit forums and YouTube channels.

Despite the extraordinary volume of evidence (including 382kg of moon rock collected across six missions; corroboration from Russia, Japan and China; and images from the Nasa Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter showing the tracks made by the astronauts in the moondust), belief in the moon-hoax conspiracy has blossomed since 1969. Among 9/11 truthers, anti-vaxxers, chemtrailers, flat-Earthers, Holocaust deniers and Sandy Hook conspiracists, the idea that the moon landings were faked isn’t even a source of anger any more – it is just a given fact.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Conspiracy; Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: 911truthers; antivaxxers; apollo11; billkaysing; chemtrailers; fakenews; flatearthers; grauniad; holocaustdenial; kaysing; moonlanding; sandyhookparanoia
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Exactly!


101 posted on 07/10/2019 12:47:45 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: iontheball
"Why? It is caused by the government’s ceaseless and insatiable desire to horde secrets and label as deplorable conspiracy nuts all those who refuse to swallow their pablum. If you straight away swallow all the lies the government feeds you, you are one of their beloved sheeple. I do not see a great harm in being a skeptical citizen."

It's not a matter of choosing a side to believe in. It's a matter of evidence and rational thought. Buying in to nutty conspiracy theories is not being a skeptical citizen. Just the opposite. It's refusing to apply skepticism to the nutty claims.

102 posted on 07/10/2019 12:47:55 PM PDT by mlo
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To: sparklite2

I knew a guy who had a similar background. Wired a bunch of electronic equipment together. He had a lot of oscilloscopes running like the opening of the old Outer Limits TV show. He claimed he was detecting tachyons and could use them detect nuclear stockpiles remotely no matter where they were. Listening to him was like listening to Star Trek & Babylon 5 technical chatter.

We didn’t fund him.


103 posted on 07/10/2019 12:48:50 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Lmo56

Yep, this is how they know the moon is moving away from the earth at a rate of about 3.8 centimeters per year.

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/37-our-solar-system/the-moon/the-moon-and-the-earth/111-is-the-moon-moving-away-from-the-earth-when-was-this-discovered-intermediate


104 posted on 07/10/2019 12:50:21 PM PDT by Openurmind
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To: mlo

Yup

Don’t bother trying to explain that to them though..


105 posted on 07/10/2019 12:50:54 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: EQAndyBuzz
We can return to the moon wit our current technology and a team running the entire mission from a half dozen laptops at Starbucks.

Technologically possible? Of course. But we can't do it because we long ago let the gatekeepers of the welfare state become the decision-makers.

106 posted on 07/10/2019 12:59:01 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: NRx

Bump


107 posted on 07/10/2019 1:04:03 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: Mr. Jeeves
But we can't do it because we long ago let the gatekeepers of the welfare state become the decision-makers.

Bingo. And in the process, they have run us into debt where it is difficult, if not impossible, to justify the expense.

108 posted on 07/10/2019 1:11:43 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Remember Ralph Abernathy’s wagon train to the Cape where he highlighted how shameful it was to spend moon in space and not in the ghettos? (Did that in the later Apollo missions!)

Yes the welfare gate-keepers won.

Appealing to white nerds as the space program did brought in very few votes!


109 posted on 07/10/2019 1:21:07 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Campion
Why can't we build one again? Well, in part because the Saturn V is very old technology which was mostly hand-assembled by skilled craftsmen. We don't build stuff that way anymore, and we could build a much better rocket for much less money by using modern technology, computer-aided design, etc.

Saturn V had a thrust of 35MN. The SpaceX Falcon Heavy is a little under 23MN. The SpaceX BFR (renamed to Starship), due to go into service next year, will be 61MN, almost twice the Saturn V (all figures from wiki)

110 posted on 07/10/2019 1:27:05 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: NRx

Because the government always lying to us builds oh so much trust....


111 posted on 07/10/2019 1:42:52 PM PDT by GraceG ("If I post an AWESOME MEME, STEAL IT! JUST RE-POST IT IN TWO PLACES PLEASE")
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To: PapaBear3625

And I guarantee that a rebuilt Sat V wouldn’t be 150% more expensive than a Falcon Heavy. Probably closer to 300%. Trying to resurrect old equipment is a lot harder and more expensive than people think.


112 posted on 07/10/2019 1:48:53 PM PDT by Campion ((marine dad))
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To: GraceG

What was especially irritating about the War on Some Drugs was that we paid the government to lie to us. It’s crap like that fomented the 60s cultural rebellion.


113 posted on 07/10/2019 1:52:05 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: bantam
”I always wondered where the ground based telescope pics of the landing site were/are?? Are there any?”

It’s impossible for any Earth-based telescope, now matter how high its magnification, to photograph details that small at the distance of the moon. It has nothing to do with the power of the telescope, but rather is a limitation driven by the physics of light. Even the orbiting Hubble telescope can’t see them.

I don’t recall the full explanation, but essentially it has to do with the physically-limited maximum resolution of any telescope and how that translates into an angular limitation on its ability to resolve anything at a given distance. The resolution of a telescope lens or mirror at the focal plane may be a few hundredths of an inch, but when expanded out to the distance of the moon the smallest objects that can be resolved at that distance are in the hundreds of feet. Even the Hubble, at lunar distance, can only resolve objects that are no smaller than 141 feet in diameter.

The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, however, WAS able to take photos of the Apollo landing sites and the artifacts left behind, because it orbits the moon at a distance of only 31 miles from the surface. It even took photos of the tire tracks left behind by the lunar rovers used on several missions.

So short answer: Basic physics makes it impossible to see the Apollo sites from the Earth.

114 posted on 07/10/2019 2:03:34 PM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.`)
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To: RightGeek

Yup!!! LOL


115 posted on 07/10/2019 2:12:46 PM PDT by ivory49
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To: al_c

I can’t ’ get a link to post but go to

Jamesvernacotola.com

For an awesome time lapse photo.


116 posted on 07/10/2019 2:16:56 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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To: al_c
Try this link for an awesome shot of Shuttle Endeavor launch over inland waterway.
117 posted on 07/10/2019 2:39:04 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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To: circlecity; NRx
Unfortunately no earth based telescope has that capability.

However, we can pin point the locations of where the Apollo landings are.

I shot this image below of the Apollo 15 landing location. See red dot at lower center.

Apollo 15 landed at the foothills of the Apennine Mountain Range in the summer of 1971. This was the first Apollo mission to transport and use the lunar rover which allowed the astronauts to traverse 17 miles on the lunar surface. The Apennine Mountain Range seen above, has peaks that rise to 17,000 feet above the lunar surface.

118 posted on 07/10/2019 2:40:57 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Campion

AF admitted to losing money, but then again, they’re a state-owned entity and lose money on everything. BA are also, but they claimed the Concorde made them money.


119 posted on 07/10/2019 2:52:22 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I was six when Armstrong and Aldrin planted that flag. It took me all of two seconds to conclude that a stick was holding the flag out.


120 posted on 07/10/2019 3:19:06 PM PDT by cyclotic
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