Posted on 07/06/2019 12:16:53 AM PDT by Oscar in Batangas
Dear Commerce Department,
The very last section of your 2020 census questionnaire could be formulated this way:
THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED BY UNITED STATES CITIZENS ONLY:
1)Do you know of any illegal aliens in your local area?
2) If the answer to item 1 is "yes", Approximately how many ____?
3l Are there only US citizens at your personal address? (Y or N)
Any non-citizen answering these questions will be subject to penalties associated with the falsification of an official government record.
The household of any US citizen who fails to answer the questions 1-3 will be enumerated as a non-US citizen household.
(The Supreme Court of the United States implied that a citizenship question cannot be asked directly. This form of questioning on the citizenship questionnaire simply gives the Commerce Department the ability to infer the number of citizens vs non citizens based on the tallying of returned forms.)
These questions could possibly overestimate the number of non-US citizens, but that would occur only if US citizens fail to answer the questions directed at them.
Non US-citizens could be penalized for falsification of an official government document.
Just send in the storm troopers!
humanevents.com
2/12/09
Controlling the Census: The Obama Administration’s Power Grab
Martha Zoller | Thursday Feb 12, 2009 3:01 AM
"The American people deserve a non-partisan census in 2010, and we hope the committee will ensure that goal comes to fruition by holding an oversight hearing on the administration’s potential plans to reduce the future secretary of commerce’s authority over the agency," Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) in a letter to the House Energy and Commerce Committee
The preservation and expansion of the Democrat majority is the only reason the Obama Administration is exercising its power and taking over the Census. Last week, without much fanfare, The White House moved control of the Census from the Commerce Department to the Executive Branch. The Democrats want to use “sampling” to add to the counts in urban areas homeless people and minorities that they believe will be under counted. The Supreme Court shot down the idea of “sampling” in the last Census, but the Obama Administration is going to tee it up again and see if it flies.
In the last Census, congressional seats moved from states that were losing population in the North and Northeast, to states that were gaining population in the South, Southwest and Mountain regions of America. That is a loss of power from generally Democrat strongholds to more likely Republican areas. That population trend is expected to continue which means more seats out of Blue States into Red States.
That’s why before the ink was even dry on the announcement of Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH) as Commerce Secretary, the Congressional Black Caucus and Latino groups were complaining that a Republican could not be in control of the census. Instead of supporting Gregg and letting the confirmation process vet this issue, the White House immediately caved and gave the power of oversight of the Census to the White House and indicated that Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel would be in charge.
Not only is this the wrong political move to make, it may also be unconstitutional. It is the duty of the Congress to take the Census every 10 years and through a law passed in Congress, it gives the power to execute the Census to the Commerce Department. If Congress has established — by law — that Commerce has the responsibility, the White House can’t override that law. If it does so, the action is illegal and unconstitutional to boot.
It would be helpful to know what Senator Gregg has to say about this but so far he hasn’t commented. Maybe he received a dead fish in the mail from Mr. Emanuel. Many suspect that he didn’t see this coming but it is seen by most as a slap in the face to the integrity of Senator Gregg and the Commerce Department. Controversy over this isn’t new and that’s why a letter was sent last year to the President signed by every Census Director since Nixon supporting a bill to make the Census Bureau an independent agency.
The directors believe they could be more effective if they could deal directly with Congress and there’s a Constitutional argument to back that up. New York Democrat, Carolyn Maloney is the bill’s chief sponsor — so this is a bipartisan issue. Many people, who won’t go on the record, are afraid of a Census process that is overseen by one of the most hyperpartisan people of our generation, Rahm Emanuel.
The Obama administration is quickly adopting the Chicago way of governing by fear. First the fear of economic collapse, which with the announcements and proclamations on a daily basis of doom and gloom seem to be riling the markets. Now they want to instill the fear that Republicans want to ignore minorities and the homeless in the Census count. To strip the Commerce Department of this responsibility just because a Republican is appointed to the position is a pretty sad state of affairs. But it’s only the beginning. This is not a “post-partisan” White House.
I’m a bit old school on the Census. I believe it should be a count and that’s it. The data derived from asking whether you have indoor plumbing or how many bedrooms you have is interesting, but not a part of the Census (and frankly none of the government’s business). The Census affects every aspect of how government asserts its power over us: the way our votes count — toward one congressman or another — results from the census. It provides the raw data by which government spending is allocated on everything from roads to schools. The Bureau of Labor Statistics also uses the Census to prepare the economic data that businesses rely on.
"The real issue is who directs the Census, the pros or the pols," says Bruce Chapman, who was director of the Census in the Reagan/Bush Era. "You would think an administration that’s thumping its chest about respecting science would show a little respect for scientists in the statistical field." It a tad ironic that the Obama administration is standing firm on the “fact” of global warming but wants a hyperpartisan such as White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel to oversee the Census. John Fund, in the Wall Street Journal, said, “The Obama administration is downplaying how closely the White House will oversee the Census Bureau. But Press Secretary Robert Gibbs insists there is "historical precedent" for the Census director to be "working closely with the White House." Fund is one of the foremost experts on election fraud and ultimately, manipulating the Census is a tool to be used to steal elections.
You should be concerned about this. Call Representative Maloney and ask if she still supports the independence of the Census process and support Representative Blackburn as she leads the fight in the Energy and Commerce Committee.
Democrats Are Setting Up A Challenge To The 2020 Census
The Revolutionary Act ^ | 05/23/19
FR Posted on 5/23/2019, 10:36:59 AM by Liberty7732
Democrats across the nation are deeply worried about the 2020 Census. The states that are most apt to lose representation after the new Census are mostly Democrat-dominated. The states most likely gain representation after the Census are mostly Republican-controlled. That is almost entirely due to residents of California, New York and Illinois fleeing to Florida, Texas and other states.
We spelled out in Part I of our Census series how California is spending an enormous amount of taxpayer money to ensure that all of the state’s hard-to-count populations — particularly illegal immigrants — are counted in the Census.
That is one big problem for Democrats. But the most controversial part of the Census is the citizenship question, which could exacerbate the first problem.
U.S. Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross approved plans last year to add the question, “Is this person a citizen of the United States?” This has not been asked since 1950, but was asked in every Census before that.
“I’ve been watching the census since 1970, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a situation as problematic as this one,” said William O’Hare, a demographer and author who published a book this year studying past censuses. “It’s having a chilling effect on immigrant and Hispanic communities.”
Well, probably just the illegal ones. Of course, the division on this question mirrors the political division in the country on legal versus illegal immigration.
Nineteen Democrat Attorneys’ Generals challenged the inclusion of the question and the Supreme Court heard oral arguments last month after fast-tracking a review from a lower court ruling that would have prevented the question from being asked. Fast-tracking is unusual. The last time the high court granted such a petition for expedited review, which bypasses the appeals court, was in 2004. But the census questionnaire must be finalized by June 30 to start printing paper forms on time.
“Granting cert before judgment here shouldn’t be seen as any reflection of how the Court is likely to rule on the merits,” said Steve Vladeck, a law professor at University of Texas. “It’s just a sign that the Justices all understand the need to decide the matter, one way or the other, by June.”
If the Supreme Court upholds the administration’s ability to ask the question — and it is hard to see a legal reason why it wouldn’t, as it had been asked for more than 150 years and the Census is the purview of the administrative branch — there are other routes being set up to challenge the final count. (Possibly including another run at the question itself.)
Other possible routes of challenge relates to new technologies the Census Bureau is planning to use in the 2020 count and a lack of funds that forced the bureau to cancel planned tests. You can hear the setup in the verbiage Democratic Rep. Gerry Connolly of Virginia, who chairs the House Oversight and Reform Subcommittee on Government Operations, which includes the Census Bureau.
“I’m not confident they’re ready one year out. I’m very concerned. I’m concerned on where they are on their budget, I’m concerned on technology, I’m concerned on substance,” Connolly said. “They’re not meeting their own deadlines, and so what confidence does that give you that they’re going to be bright-eyed and bushy-tailed in 2020 when they actually conduct the census?”
Not surprisingly, he blames Republicans.
“Some of this is Congress’s fault because the Republican majority was unwilling to provide the resources they were told they needed, and we’re going to pay a price for that,” Connolly said.
It would not be unusual for some states or cities to challenge their part of the Census. There were 239 challenges after the 2010 census, according to the Christian Science Monitor. But those challenges can only be based on proving technical errors.
The use of new technology seems like a ripe area for charging technical errors. Perhaps the citizenship question could be cast in that light as well as the lack of funding causing technical problems. California Gov. Gavin Newsom wants his state to check the official Census results against the state’s estimate, to see how much of a difference there is — which could be grounds for another challenge.
The question is whether the lawsuits would seek to throw the entire Census out. While that would be a first in American history, nothing today seems outside the realm of possibility.In fact, it appears that is the precise groundwork being laid.
Very clever. Certainly a bright idea which should be taken
seriously.
THANK YOU for two very well presented replies!
Do you think a set of questions like mine would fly?
ping
Should ask: Where were you born? How long have you lived in the US?
The buzz is Dems have lawyers at the border coaching illegals on how to break the law to get in.....
(and registering them to vote).
A Democratic congresswoman (who won Beto's seat) is sending staff to Mexico’s northern border town of Ciudad Juárez to find migrants returned from El Paso, Texas, under the “remain in Mexico” policy, then coaching them to pretend they cannot speak Spanish to exploit a loophole letting them to return to the U.S.
“What we’re hearing from management is that they’re attempting to return people, and the story was changed in Mexico, where a person who understood Spanish before now doesn’t understand — where a person who didn’t have any health issues before now has health issues," the union representative said. (Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...
I like your idea, I have a similar one. THE QUESTIONS ABOUT CITIZENSHIP SHOULD BE OPTIONAL. So no one can complain that people would be afraid to answer the Census questions. There would be no penalty for not answering the optional questions. However, we can assume that most citizens are proud to be citizens and would answer the question. A few citizens like Colin Kaepernick and AOC would skip the question because they think is is racist to be a citizen of the United States. And all illegals might skip the question rather than to falsely state that they are citizens since to lie about it is a crime but to skip the question is not. In either case we get a count of patriotic citizens to use in determining the number of congressional seats for each state. And we get a good sense of how many non-citizens are here for purposes of establishing a more informed and rational immigration policy.
NO wonder why democrats are campaigning in Mexico right now trying to flood us for the 2020 census with illegals in their districts (sanctuary cities!!!) so that they can rob other taxpayers through government spending allocations and then dump them for 9 years into rural areas for care!!!
They truly are satanic in their planning day to day. It’s all how to make taxpayers pour their pockets into the government tax layers (local, state, federal) and how they can avoid paying and keep/fill their pockets with gains through programs/grants.
I told my husband last night that LCRA bragged about $400K in grants, etc. that they bestow across their domain...this means they are charging outlandish prices for electric usage along with paying their employees premium salary and benefits on the backs of those who have to use them for electric services. It’s all a game of take-take-take...
Thanks for that input.
I figured that if it were OK in the past to ask how many commodes were in your home, the question of how many illegal aliens are in your close vicinity would not seem inappropriate either.
It might even be welcomed by people who ARE citizens and are fed up with the status quo?
Yes.
Far, far, far too many to count.
Yes.
Consider yourself counted, Honorable Citizen + Family
(Keep those answers in mind for 2020. hahaha)
The court didn’t imply any such thing. The court made clear:
“The Enumeration Clause permits Congress, and by extension the Secretary, to inquire about citizenship on the census questionnaire. That conclusion follows from Congress’s broad authority over the census, as informed by long and consistent historical practice that “has been open, widespread, and unchallenged since the early days of the Republic.”
The administration won on ALL the Constitutional issues.
The ONLY issue left is the explanation given under the administrative procedures act. All that has to be done is an explanation that isn’t “this is for the VRA.”
That’s it. Now, there is a procedure to be following in giving that explanation, but if the commerce department really wants it done, there is enough time between now and 10/31 to do it.
A lot of idiots out there bought the media talking points that the court “blocked” the question. It did no such thing. It simply demanded to clarify under the APA.
I suspect that some minion in commerce really doesn’t want to hustle and get this done before October, and that’s why we have the conflicting info from Commerce and the President.
Why would you want to rat out your neighbors on a written form with your name & address on it???
Great way to paint a target on your own family.
One of the most harebrained ideas I’ve seen here.
Illegals should be reported—preferably anonymously— to immigration authorities.
The CENSUS form is to COUNT the CITIZENRY.
Are you confusing the 10-year Census with the American Community Survey?
The Survey, which goes out more often, is billed as a “supplement” to the Census, and it’s far more intrusive.
The Survey is the one asking nosy questions about the contents of your house, value of property, what hours you’re away from your house(!) not the Census.
Furthermore, the 5-page Survey isn’t sent to every household. It’s sent to a “randomly selected” 1% of households.
Weirdly, that 1% is threatened with a $5,000 fine for failing to answer, and Commerce Dept sends personnel repeatedly to threaten noncompliant householders.
This raises questions about who is “randomly selected” & why, & what is the real purpose of the Survey.
It seems the fedgov might be compiling dossiers.
My house received a Survey & we were harassed for months. It took some doing to be left alone.
ABC Good Morning Amnerica LIED thru their teeth this Saturday morning.
They said that ‘the citizenship question had NOT been on the census for over 70 years”. I am pretty sure that is wrong. I remember seeing the question on prior census forms I filled out & I am 79.
NO ONE seems able to challenge these wildly wrong comments.
Also-—EXACTLY HOW did Obama remove the question in 2010? A law thru Congress?
An Executive Order?
A Memo to Commerce department?
The DACA issue was NEVER a law-—
It was NEVER an Executive Order...
It ws ONLY a MEMO to Jeh Johnson to not bother the children.
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