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Posted on 06/17/2019 1:21:43 PM PDT by fuzzylogic
I just received the e-mail the other day. Just checked on Snopes (sometimes I wonder about)which I should have done before posting on FR...My friend’s e-mail also stated that Zuckerberg was not the tech savvy person people purport him to be.
Thank you!
Being called a “leftist troll” made me laugh.
We’re entering a really dark time in tech - maybe it’s because I’ve been immersed in to for so long that I see what is possible - and what is happening right now.
TBH I’m surprised at how naive some are. Data is the new oil. The amount of data analytics being applied on this (bought & sold) data is staggering. Combined with AI I don’t believe the masses have any idea of the capabilities and influence these companies exert.
For a forum where I don’t see anyone disagreeing that there’s been a coup attempt against this POTUS, it’s a bit of a surprise to hear that the same people believe it’s a giant leap that the deep-state and FB are working together - and that this wasn’t planned way back, right at the time everything was changing due to the Patriot Act, including NSA/CIA programs.
It may or may not be true but I don’t think for a second it’s a huge leap as some are claiming.
It’s nonsense when you start insisting that a website, that has a well documented history, and is publicly traded MUST be actually a government conspiracy. Now if you want to talk about how the government MANIPULATES social media, that’s another matter entirely. But that’s NOT what you’re talking about. You’re barking up well worn and factually FALSE conspiracy nonsense.
Even your same day thing is WRONG. Feb 4 is when they changed the name of the site. It had been up for 9 months before then. FB wasn’t actually useful for data collection for YEARS afterwards. It was a minor place for college kids to talk about stuff. The USERS are what turned FB into what it is today by putting their entire life on it. Add in the Share button and all the tracking code that goes behind it and walla. But even then, half the country isn’t on FB, it really is not the total collection point.
You want a total collection point: Google Analytics. That’s the app that knows everything everybody does on the internet, and it’s not opt in. It tracks EVERYBODY.
You’re assuming academia wasn’t involved.
Look, I agree with the limits of government, especially the day to day elected bureaucrats (morons). Those hired into non-elected positions within the CIA/NSA are a completely different beast...you’re acting like Snowden didn’t happen. Add to this that government and academia constantly collaborate on many things, both publicly and privately, to believe the government has to come up with the idea is patently absurd.
They way you talk it’s as though I think soldiers design weapon systems. Of course not...it’s happens with combining academia, private companies, and government $$$. Why would you think they wouldn’t use the same apparatus for social engineering? That’s incredibly naive. Do you not see the younger generations consumed with their smartphone? MOST don’t watch any news - but they “know” the news by what friends on FB post, a monopoly, completely under the control of a sociopath.
I work in big tech - I know what is possible and it is frightening me. I also know exactly how the government behaves respective to developing weapons with academics and private companies. Yet, amazingly, this is just crazy talk when applied to a social media platform. One created after the Patriot Act, where massive government surveillance began.
Next you’ll be telling me you don’t know what wechat is....the Chinese social credit score is coming to America and some don’t see it’s through tech giants, with plenty of government meddling. The UK demonized the CEO of YouTube because the “wrong” search results appear - basically certain people should be shut down. They demanded YT change the algorithms - and what happened immediately? The de-platforming of conservatives followed.
I thought more on here understood what is possible, the way things are done, and the nature of government (fascists). This is going to make me rethink...
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I’ve been coding for 35 years too and saw the rise and fall of comouserve, AOL, MySpace and Geocities.
Facebook is no different and wasn’t coded by the CIA. I’m sure the Democrats happily get access to all the private data Facebook collects for free but it’s not a government psyop.
You’re so gung ho to “reveal the truth” that you miss the more obvious avenue of government control - that of seeing and having access to every financial transaction made through credit and debit card transactions. Every text message you send goes over the internet and the government collects all that info via FCC regulations.
But please, do continue with your conspiracy theories.
Because you’re stupidly confusing collusion and racketeering between major internet players with CIA ops and patting yourself on the back for your ingenuity.
Then you double down.
You’re a leftist troll planting disinformation.
They’re listening to our toasters don’t you know? Why aren’t you frightened?
First, I haven’t insisted on anything...calm down. Second, you can’t prove your assertions either.
Of course it wasn’t useful for years - never said it was intended to be. So what?
I don’t disagree about AWS or GA - and it’s not just about FB. We don’t know how many entities are sharing what data and what analysis is being done on it all.
https://www.military.com/defensetech/2004/02/04/lifelog-dead - February 4, 2004.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook - FOUNDED February 4, 2004.
There’s nothing out there that demonstrates this is a “well worn and factually false conspiracy”. Get over yourself. I’ve worked with academia, the military, and government officials on projects - I understand deep neural networks and the breadth and depth of data we’re talking about. You’re naive if you think this is beyond any possibility.
I’ve been writing and designing systems for over 35 years. Server based, desktop based, embedded devices, consumer/military. My main goal was only to raise awareness of how powerful the combination of government and technology can be in this new age and how it will influence our freedoms - with a curious backdrop that nobody can claim has been proven false. FB was not always public. Considering the Patriot Act, changing CIA/NSA behavior, the close timing of things, and how the government often gets things done (academia+industry+$$$) it’s not that huge a leap. Sure - I can’t prove it. Neither can you - why it was posted in General Chat. It didn’t deserve some of these rabid posts. I know a hell of a lot more about computer technology than 99% of the people here.
Quit calling long standing FReepers “leftist trolls”. The left eats their own - quit acting like them.
...I came across an intriguing article, one that aligns with other experiences I’ve had in the tech space with government officials, and I said in my first post it was “a claim” - you go batsh*t and become insulting.
Says more about you than I.
Actually you have insisted on quite a bit. Biggest and most importantly being that FB absolutely positively MUST be a government project.
If it was a government project it was a failure at the start. And again FB is what it is NOT because of Zuckerberg, or anybody in his employ. It is what is it because the PEOPLE decided to put all their crap on FB. If the users don’t decide FB is the perfect place to overshare none of this happens.
You should bother to read your own links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook “Zuckerberg built a website called “Facemash” in 2003 while attending Harvard University.”
Your own link disproved you.
If you want to raise awareness of the combination of the government tech merger STOP ALL THE IDIOTIC CONSPIRACY CRAP. And bother to be factually correct.
Show me a post where I insisted it was true - you can’t because I never did. I never once said it MUST be.
You also don’t seem to understand what “proof” means. We can both post whatever links - that’s not proof of anything. It’s idiocy to claim to be some beholder of facts here.
Read my very first post - I stated the article made a “claim”. You’re the one asserting false facts.
Post 34:
It’s far more logical to think that LifeLog (CIA) became Facebook (transitioned on the same day) than to believe this clueless moron (Zuckerberg) created this monster.
“more logical” != insisting it is true
Reading comprehension. Since when is just making an argument insisting on facts?
I get it. You believe it is beyond consideration. I disagree, that is all.
Whatever dude. You know you think the CIA made Facebook, you’ve said variations of that multiple times on this thread and others. If you want to degenerate to full on lying now that’s on you.
I believe it’s painfully stupid. And only a complete moron would consider for even half a second.
“I can honestly say that, at this point, there are no ‘insiders’ who have any faith in Mark to run the company, or to even speak in public. We believe that even after Larry Summers, the father of Facebook, who planted Sheryl Sandberg at Facebook to shut Mark up and stop revealing that Facebook is the tool of the Democrat agenda for globalism, cannot fix the company. This is one of the points I am most angry about. Mark has become, over the years, no friend of America. In fact, he hates America and rants on about how proud he is to avoid U. S. taxes and to cheat the American people – whom he considers to be animals.”
All I said was that I don’t believe it was Zuckerberg...anything else was pointing to an article making a “claim”. Then you jumped me, I only ever made points that, considering many things we know, it’s not beyond absurd. Others here agree.
“...on this thread and others” - now you’re just lying, I’ve never touched this on another thread.
Gotta end with some name calling though right? So I won’t.
Long but interesting. Very interesting. Thanks for posting.
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