Posted on 05/29/2019 12:37:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
May 27, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) — Speaking with one of the best-known conservative Jews, Dennis Prager, at the PragerU summit last week, world-famous psychologist Jordan Peterson spoke of God and his views of faith. After speaking about his dislike for the question ‘Do you believe in God?’ Peterson said, “I think that Catholicism — that's as sane as people can get.”
Peterson has often been asked about his faith, if he believes in God, and he said the question has always troubled him. He promised a podcast on the matter since he has given his dislike for the question much thought.
He explained, “Who would have the audacity to claim that they believed in God if they examined the way they lived? Who would dare say that?”
“To believe, in a Christian sense,” he added, “means that you live it out fully and that's an that's an unbearable task in some sense.”
Then in one long drawn-out, rapid-fire thought, the type that has enthralled his millions of fans, he laid out extemporaneously the vision of a believer in God:
“To be able to accept the structure of existence, the suffering that goes along with it and the disappointment and the betrayal, and to nonetheless act properly; to aim at the good with all your heart; to dispense with the malevolence and your desire for destruction and revenge and all of that; and to face things courageously and to tell the truth to speak the truth and to act it out, that's what it means to believe -- that's what it means -- it doesn't mean to state it, it means to act it out. And, unless you act it out you should be very careful about claiming it. And so, I've never been comfortable saying anything other than I try to act as if God exists because God only knows what you'd be if you truly believed.”
See the full exchange of Peterson and Prager here.
John 1:14
"We saw the glory of the Father's only Son, full of grace and truth."
Hard to see how "grace only kicks in when there is sin." I think that word does not mean what you think it means.
And he's poor? really? and black? Well alrighty then! Standard spelling is racist elitism then, and a gentle correction in the Language Arts department is a crime against humanity.
/sarc/ for the irony-deficient.
His comment was also duh-provoking. We Catholics have a service of divine worship called the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. We call it that: "Sacrifice." We use an altar. Altars are used for sacrifices. We all know this. So the point was...?
John 6:37-39 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.
John 10:25-30 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”
It's becoming clearer and clearer that Catholics have no understanding of what being *in Christ* is about.
When we are saved, our sins are FORGIVEN. God does not hold them to our account any more as He has wiped clean the record of debt that stood against us.
When we are IN CHRIST, we are under His protection and the judgement we deserve for the sins we have committed, ALL OF THEM, fell on Jesus by whom we are protected when we are in Him.
When we receive Him, we are putting ourselves in HIS care and we become the children of God and cannot undo what God did.
He is not forcing Himself on someone who comes to Him in repentance. He is freely granting His salvation which we have NOW, to those who put their trust in Him.
How Catholics can consider that God *forcing Himself* on us is beyond me. When we become bond slaves to God, it's then HIS responsibility to take care of us and that includes protecting us from ourselves.
“I said he made a dumb spelling mistake and needed a dictionary”
Sounds like racial mocking... sounds like you’re saying he’s a dumb guy.
“We call it that: “Sacrifice.” We use an altar. Altars are used for sacrifices. We all know this.”
The only altar for a true Christian is the one in eternity, where Christ presented His blood one time.
Not repeatedly. Never again. Not on earth.
No Apostle used an altar for the Lord’s Supper.
It is pagan in origin. Not from God.
We CAN "refuse" Him (our action.)
If this is not true, then what Paul told the Galatians about our being free, is very much mistaken: because it turns out that either we are unable to choose to oppose God and His Heaven, OR our choices are simply meaningless and are overridden.
And IF we cannot be damned for intentionally living in damnable sin and dying in opposition to Him, then Paul also was very much mistaken when he said:
"The acts of the flesh are obvious:I ask your prayerful reconsideration of this question.
sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;
idolatry and witchcraft;
hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage,
selfish ambition, dissensions, factions
and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like.
I warn you, as I did before,
that those who live like this
will not inherit the kingdom of God."
Goodnight and God bless.
This promise of Jesus...is rock solid.
In verse 39, where Jesus says, "I shall lose none"....the verb, for I should lose is ἀπολέσω. It is in the subjunctive mood. This is the mood of possibility....something may or may not happen.
It is preceded by μὴ, which means none or no in the Greek. It is the word used for negation of something.
What this is telling us is it is not a possibility that He will lose what the Father has given Him.
The text appears as this:
ἵνα πᾶν ὃ δέδωκέν μοι μὴ ἀπολέσω ἐξ αὐτοῦ, ἀλλʼ ἀναστήσω αὐτὸ [ἐν] τῇ ἐσχάτῃ ἡμέρᾳ
In verse 40, where it says, I will raise him up...
It is emphatic that Jesus is saying HE is the ONE WHO will be raising us up.
This is but one of the many reasons I love studying His word in the Greek.
May God receive the glory for this post!
I’ll take your evasion as me winning the argument.
Also, in before a whiny NO U reply.
Many of you FR Catholics are very predictable.
Once we are His, He seals, holds us, and preserves us.
Your passage, like many others you’ve posted, relies on seeing words used without understanding the context, not language.
I do understand you’ve not formally studied Scripture. Most haven’t.
But I have a sincere suggestion for you that would help.
Instead of starting with what Rome taught you as a conclusion, start with Scripture and study to see both what it says as well as what it means.
Dig to understand. Use tools. Don’t assume the surface is the meaning, unless you confirm it.
Much bad theology in many denominations comes from this error.
I am willing to be a resource or sounding board.
Good night.
Thank you for posting.
I believe this is one reason Paul described salvation this way...
“Thank God for His indescribable gift!”
And so it is!
Here’s the issue I see in this conversation, and perhaps we can get onto the same page here.
Way I’ve heard some Catholics talk, they always say that any sin with any kind of intent will separate you from God and make you lose your salvation, so it seems to me that if you take it that far, you’re always terrified that God will condemn you if you get caught in a sin and die before you can confess.
But there’s a difference between that and the idea of diving so deeply into sin that you eventually renounce your salvation for love of sin.
Jesus says that those who believe have eternal life; there is no ‘unless you’ve done X number of sins.’ When Jesus talks about times to forgive, I think the number is as much as ‘seventy times seven.’
“Jesus says that those who believe have eternal life; there is no ‘unless you’ve done X number of sins.’ When Jesus talks about times to forgive, I think the number is as much as ‘seventy times seven.’”
Also, Christ sacrificed an infinite life to pay for all sins for all time.
When someone entrusts themselves to Him, all sins, past, present, and future are covered by His blood. There are no sins that we’re not paid in full.
The Catholic is on probation, not secure, and their salvation depends on their continuing good efforts and not on Him.
Come to Christ. He has the perfect cure for that. The only cure.
A person searching.
You do not and cannot offer any evidence in this regard, and it is not proven by simple assertion.
On the contrary, we know that Malachi, the last of the OT prophets, prophesied that in future time the offering of a sacrifice among the Gentiles which would be pleasing to the Lord:
Malachi 1:11
My Name will be great among the Gentiles (nations), from where the sun rises to where it sets. In every place incense and pure offerings will be brought to Me, because My Name will be great among the nations," says the LORD Almighty.
It's pretty obvious he's prophesying pure, acceptable offering all over the Gentile world which will be pleasing to Him.
The only truly acceptable and pure offering is the One Sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. That sacrifice is now spread throughout the Gentile world, from where the sun rises to where it sets, in every place" --- this once-and-for-all sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Himself.
If you think it's not that, then tell me what pure and acceptable sacrifice is now offered all over the Gentile world, with incense, where His Name is great among the nations.
And sacrifice means an altar, as the man said.
Paul told the Corinthians that the Lord's Supper IS the Body and Blood of Christ, and that those who receive it wrongfully, not recognizing the Body, incur severe guilt: blood-guilt. They are guilty of the Blood of the Lord.
The earliest post-Biblical, historic account we have of the Mass is in the writings of St. Justin, Martyr(LINK) whih clearly show the Eucharistic realism of the Body and Blood of the Lord being present and not ordinary food.
The earliest house church of which we have archaeological evidence, the ancient 3rd century church at Dura Europos (in what is now western Syria) shows the priest or bishop conducting a liturgy (facing east) at an altar against the east wall.
Much earlier than that, though, we know that the Christians of Rome who gathered to celebrate the Liturgy in the Catacombs of Priscilla, used the stone slabs which covered the wall-niche graves, as altars. They literally said Mass upon the tombs of the martyrs.
This would have been in Apostolic times. The First Martyrs of the Church of Rome were Christians martyred in the city of Rome during Nero's persecution in 64. The event is recorded by both Tacitus and Pope Clement I, among others.
It is found no where in Scripture, nor in practice during the lives of the Apostles. Clearly, it was not part of Apostlic teaching.
On the contrary, we know that Malachi, the last of the OT prophets, prophesied that in future time the offering of a sacrifice among the Gentiles which would be pleasing to the Lord:
We covered this last week. Only incense and grain offerings are specified in malachi. No blood. No unleavened bread.
The period of time is the millennium.
You've got some serious wishogesis going on there (like you did in the earlier discussion that put Mary in the Revelation passage). The earliest post-Biblical, historic account we have of the Mass is in the writings of St. Justin, Martyr(LINK) whih clearly show the Eucharistic realism of the Body and Blood of the Lord being present and not ordinary food.
And yet, he did not write during the lives of the Apostles, but later.
In addition, Catholicism makes the altar and mass central to the faith, yet the Apostles did not write of an altar being used.
Pagans did, of course.
The earliest house church of which we have archaeological evidence, the ancient 3rd century church at Dura Europos (in what is now western Syria) shows the priest or bishop conducting a liturgy (facing east) at an altar against the east wall.
Third century.
Much earlier than that, though, we know that the Christians of Rome who gathered to celebrate the Liturgy in the Catacombs of Priscilla, used the stone slabs which covered the wall-niche graves, as altars. They literally said Mass
upon the tombs of the martyrs.
You might as well just admit the following and save yourself time MDO...
No altar appears in NT Scripture for a church.
No altar is referred to in ANY of the churches, nor any of the Epistles.
There are no other writings from before 100 ad that reference a Christian altar.
I know you want it to be true. I know you believe and justify whatever Rome teaches. But it isn't there and was added later.
You would do well to read 1 Cor 6:19-23 ... See what you make of that!
+1
"For Isaiah did not send you to a bath, there to wash away murder and other sins, which not even all the water of the sea were sufficient to purge;
but, as might have been expected, this was that saving bath of the olden time which followed s those who repented, and who no longer were purified by the blood of goats and of sheep,
or by the ashes of an heifer, or by the offerings of fine flour,
but by faith through the blood of Christ, and through His death, who died for this very reason, as Isaiah himself said, when he spake thus: 'The Lord shall make bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the nations and the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of God.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/justinmartyr-dialoguetrypho.html
You are so in error! But your blustering pride in your self prevents you from hearing The Gospel of Grace. Try reading 1 Cor 6 and focus especially on verses 19 and following. Your pride is rising tot eh level of haughty! Woman, if the Holy Spirit is not in you, you are ‘none of His’.
“that those who receive it wrongfully, not recognizing the Body” ... very cunning of you to take that completely out of context! Typical. Paul is referring to the neglect by some prideful members, neglecting the state of fellow believers, fellow members of The Body of Christ. You do not know the Risen Lord Christm so this error is easily made by pride-filled ‘teachers’.
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