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Lori Loughlin and Husband 'Didn't Realize That What They Were Doing Was Illegal': Source
People ^ | 4/24/19 | STEVE HELLING

Posted on 04/25/2019 1:59:05 AM PDT by Libloather

Lori Loughlin and her husband Mossimo Giannulli didn’t fully grasp that their alleged bribery in the college admissions scandal was illegal, a source familiar with the case tells PEOPLE.

“You read the complaint and they look like criminal masterminds,” the source tells PEOPLE. “But they really didn’t know the legalities of what was going on. They’re not lawyers and they’re not experts. They were parents who simply wanted to make sure that their daughters got into a good school.”

**SNIP**

“Calling in favors, donating money to the alumni association, hiring consultants. Those are all things that parents do,” says the source. “And so they gave money to this consultant, not entirely knowing everything that was going to be done. When it all fell apart, nobody was as surprised as they were that they were in trouble.”

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To: Vendome

I agree. the guy who took their money is to blame, not them.


21 posted on 04/25/2019 3:00:57 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Are you on the Daily Cryptogram Ping List?...)
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To: Libloather

The Costanza Defense. Works on television.


22 posted on 04/25/2019 3:12:27 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Auto-correct has become my worst enema.)
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To: nikos1121

Paying to get their daughters into school isn’t their biggest problem; the tax fraud scheme is (and I don’t see how they get out of that).


23 posted on 04/25/2019 3:12:31 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: ImNotLying

it’s NEVER an excuse.

And I have a feeling they had a clue.


24 posted on 04/25/2019 3:18:32 AM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know if.. Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR)
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To: ImNotLying
Ignorance of the law is no excuse, neither is it a defense in a court of law.

But it sure could sway a jury.

I'm sure there are a lot of people who would have done the same thing as these parents, if they were in similar circumstances. Finding a jury of twelve people who all would NOT have done this could be very challenging.

25 posted on 04/25/2019 3:20:51 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: Libloather

A very wise man told one of the Bush kids about how celebrity men going around grabbing a handful of pu$$y any time they want. I wonder if the young Bush finally understands what the wise man was talking about?


26 posted on 04/25/2019 3:21:41 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Libloather

They hired James Comey as their lawyer: no intent.


27 posted on 04/25/2019 3:22:24 AM PDT by Reverend Wright (TAX the WOKE !)
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To: Libloather

Oh, well, nevermind then...


28 posted on 04/25/2019 3:22:57 AM PDT by servo1969
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Are college tuitions tax deductible?

[Quote] You may be able to deduct qualified education expenses paid during the year for yourself, your spouse or your dependent. ... The qualified expenses must be for higher education. The Tuition and Fees Deduction can reduce the amount of your income subject to tax by up to $4,000. [Unquote]

[Tax Benefits for Education: Information
IRS.gov › newsroom › tax-benefits-for-e...]

Spend a small fortune for a tax deduction?
Would these idiots be in violation and be considered for tax fraud?

Now there is a fine mess they have gotten themselves into.


29 posted on 04/25/2019 3:30:16 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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To: ImNotLying
Ignorance of the law is no excuse, neither is it a defense in a court of law.

They are working the court of public opinion.

30 posted on 04/25/2019 3:33:21 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: Libloather

I think they’ll crush the prosecution in a trial. You wash my hand, I wash yours is fairly common in everyday life. That’s why the typical target for honest services fraud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honest_services_fraud isn’t generally the people seeking favors, but the people receiving consideration for granting favors. University staff aren’t government employees. Even Supreme Court justices (including the late great Scalia) have said that this kind of conduct is vaguely unethical, but not exactly the stuff of a Federal case. Meanwhile, the far left never-Trump front group misnamed Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington thinks honest services fraud prosecutions are a great thing.
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/citizens-for-responsibility-and-ethics-in-washington/


[The law is reportedly a favorite of federal prosecutors because the language of statute is vague enough to be applied to corrupt political officials’ unethical or criminal activities when they do not fall into a specific category, such as bribery or extortion.[22] For similar reasons, defense attorneys dislike the law, viewing it as a poorly defined law that can be used by prosecutors to convert any kind of unethical behavior into a federal crime.[22]

Nevertheless, prosecutors must still prove all the elements of mail fraud or wire fraud in a case regarding a scheme to defraud of honest services.[22]

The late U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia criticized the statute, stating that the clause was so poorly defined that it could be the basis for prosecuting “a mayor for using the prestige of his office to get a table at a restaurant without a reservation.”[24]

In The Perfect Villain: John McCain and the Demonization of Lobbyist Jack Abramoff, investigative journalist Gary S. Chafetz argued that honest-services fraud is so vague as to be unconstitutional, and that prosecutors abused it as a tool to increase their conviction rates.[25] Bennett L. Gershmann, a professor at Pace University Law School, similarly has contended that the law “is not only subject to abuse...but has been abused.”[26] The case of former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman is often cited as an example of possible prosecutorial misconduct and abuse of the honest services law.[26]

Many interest groups oppose the usage of the honest services law, including the conservative United States Chamber of Commerce and Washington Legal Foundation, as well as the more liberal National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.[26] One notable proponent of the law is the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.[26][27][28] ]


31 posted on 04/25/2019 3:36:29 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Libloather
The FBI and DOJ sure were spring loaded to arrest, charge, and threaten to incarcerate her for 40 YEARS for bribing college officials to get her daughter into USC. I don’t condone bribery, but come on. Where are the FBI arrests and DOJ indictments for Hillary, Obama, Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Lynch, Holder, Powers, Jarrett, Podesta, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Ohr, and all the others? How will this rich Hollywood actress being sent away for 4 decades help me or the nation when they cannot hold coup plotters accountable?
32 posted on 04/25/2019 3:37:24 AM PDT by SkyPilot (("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6))
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To: Libloather

Stupidity is no excuse.


33 posted on 04/25/2019 3:40:45 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Libloather

I don’t underestimate the power of some very expensive lawyers who are writing the narrative now.


34 posted on 04/25/2019 3:47:59 AM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: Nifster

I don’t mean it wholly as their daughter really isn’t JC material and had no intention of applying herself and excelling in college.

Good thing she has that gig with Sepbora to fall back on...oh wait...


35 posted on 04/25/2019 3:51:07 AM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0ndRzaz2o)
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To: ImNotLying

A lack of criminal intent may be a defense or may sometimes be used in mitigation.


36 posted on 04/25/2019 3:52:45 AM PDT by Rockingham (W)
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To: Libloather

And when they head to the slammer, just tell them they’re playing a role in an extended reality series - maybe they won’t realize that’s not the case either.


37 posted on 04/25/2019 3:55:20 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: Libloather

Such BS. They knew and the girls knew that they were doing something illegal.


38 posted on 04/25/2019 4:06:32 AM PDT by Oldexpat (Jobs Not Mobs)
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To: Alberta's Child
But it sure could sway a jury.

To get this assertion before a jury, they would have to testify which would waive their fifth amendment rights and open them to cross examination. While it might be a good public relations move, I am no so sure about it as a legal strategy.

39 posted on 04/25/2019 4:12:55 AM PDT by etcb
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To: Vendome
The racist strategy for admissions allows really stupid to advance on qualities having nothing to do with merit

This is a good point. Why are some people demanding that Lori Loughlin play the college admissions game straight when the entire system is racist against whites and legal American citizens? IMO, Lori Loughlin won't do a day in jail and I'm OK with that. Expose the entire mess or move on.

40 posted on 04/25/2019 4:15:05 AM PDT by JonPreston ( The GOPe is on board with the North American Union and the European Union.)
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