Q Anon: 04/11/19 Trust Trump's Plan

It doesn’t look to me like the shadows are matching properly.
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So you are saying that NSA/CSS posted a doctored photo on its Twitter feed? To what end?

Dangit!
IFL not IFP.

Big arrests will do no good until Trump gets a judiciary that supports America. Arrests now would likely not get fair trials then when we have America loving judges, double jeopardy would protect the slime.

He also raised my taxes and is failing at the border.
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He raises some interesting points...

She still paid taxes but so glad we are not living in a blue DEMOCRAT run state.

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What you said there is what makes the difference...I live in a Red State my taxes went down, profit went up....dem states= taxes go up, profits go down..California is a dem state, those of us that are seeing the good live in Red States, so if you want your state to be better, then use your vote to get rid of the dems...they are the problem, NOT OUR PRESIDENT!!!

https://genesisthots.blogspot.com/2014/09/biblical-examples-of-deception-used-by.html

Biblical Examples of Deception Used By God’s People

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob suffer accusations from many Christians for being despicable sinners in their use of deception against tyrants and wicked men. Having thought about and studied this off and on for twenty years, I maintain that these men acted within the bounds of Christ’s righteousness in a sin-filled world when they deceived tyrants and wicked men. In other words, they were not despicable sinners in these actions.

I wish to present for your consideration a number of Biblical examples of God’s people using deception to thwart the purposes of evil and wicked men.

EXAMPLE #1 is from 2 Samuel 15-17, which is the account of the conspiracy of Absalom, who usurps the throne of his father, King David.

After David flees Jerusalem, he learns that one of his counselors, “Ahithophel, is among the conspirators with Absalom.” Then David prays; “O LORD, please turn the counsel of Ahithophel into foolishness.”

Next, David’s good friend and counselor, Hushai the Archite, comes to meet David “with his coat torn and dirt on his head.”

“David said to him, ‘If you go on with me, you will be a burden to me. But if you return to the city and say to Absalom, “I will be your servant, O king; as I have been your father’s servant in time past, so now I will be your servant,” then you will defeat for me the counsel of Ahithophel.” (2 Sam. 15:33, 34).

So, get this, David tells his good friend to go and deceive Absalom, feigning loyalty to him, and then offering counsel to Absalom which will thwart or defeat the counsel of Ahithophel. Hushai does as David suggests (2 Samuel 16:15-17:14) and saves David’s life and restores him to his throne.

In summary, David asks the LORD to turn the counsel of Ahithophel to foolishness. He then advises his good friend, Hushai, to feign loyalty to Absalom, deceiving him thereby, and to give counsel to him contrary to Ahithophel’s counsel. Hushai goes back to Jerusalem and deceives Absalom.

Were David and Hushai wrong to do this? Or does God allow His people to deceive their enemies in certain situations? Did God answer David’s prayer by using David and Hushai to deceive Absalom? Was the outcome an answer to David’s prayer?

As you know, at a different time David committed a couple of very despicable sins in his adultery with Bathsheba, and then murdering her husband. God, through the prophet Nathan, told David of this sin. So, God made it clear that David had sinned (which we all knew anyway), but as far as I know, no where in the Bible can I find any indication that David and Hushai were sinning in deceiving Absalom.

Again, were David and Hushai sinning? Is it wrong to deceive your enemy in a war or a battle?

Example #2

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are accused by many Christians of sinning despicably when they use deception against tyrants and sinners. I have maintained for a number of years now that they did not sin in these situations. God has graciously provided ways for His people to deal with the wickedness they will encounter in the world.

For example, God hates divorce but He made provision for it in a world where there are wicked people. Jesus says in Matthew 19:8; “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.”

The Bible has many examples of deception to consider. In Joshua is another; spies, lies, and deception.

Joshua 2:1-7

“And Joshua the son of Nun sent two men secretly from Shittim as spies, saying, “Go, view the land, especially Jericho.” And they went and came into the house of a prostitute whose name was Rahab and lodged there. And it was told to the king of Jericho, “Behold, men of Israel have come here tonight to search out the land.

“Then the king of Jericho sent to Rahab, saying, “Bring out the men who have come to you, who entered your house, for they have come to search out all the land.” But the woman had taken the two men and hidden them. And she said, “True, the men came to me, but I did not know where they were from. And when the gate was about to be closed at dark, the men went out. I do not know where the men went.

“Pursue them quickly, for you will overtake them.” But she had brought them up to the roof and hid them with the stalks of flax that she had laid in order on the roof. So the men pursued after them on the way to the Jordan as far as the fords. And the gate was shut as soon as the pursuers had gone out.”

Here we have Joshua sending men as spies secretly into the land they are to conquer. Spies are acting deceptively. Is this a despicable sin?

And wow, what is one to think of this Rahab lady, who tells an outright falsehood? She is told by the king of Jericho to bring out the men who visited her house. She starts her bit of deception with the word “true,” and admits the men did come to her. Then she tells the messengers of the king that the men had left, and with haste they might still catch them.

By doing this deceptive deed, she saves herself and the household of her parents. As far as I have been able to tell, it is not recorded anywhere in the Bible that she sinned here.

On the contrary, in Hebrews 11:31 she seems to be commended for her heroic deception, being included among God’s faithful and righteous people;

“By faith Rahab the prostitute did not perish with those who were disobedient, because she had given a friendly welcome to the spies.”

So, did Rahab sin in this historical account? Is there any Biblical condemnation of her action? She certainly risked her life for the spies, and her family.

Did Joshua sin in sending spies? And did the men sin who went into the city by deception to spy out the land, and then hide from the king?

I don’t think so.

Example #3

The next example of deception comes from Judges 4, the account of Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite.

The people of Israel did evil and God put them under Jabin king of Canaan in Hazor. The commander of Jabin’s army was Sisera. Jabin and Sisera oppressed the children of Israel cruelly for 20 years, so the people of Israel cried out to the LORD for relief.

Deborah was judging Israel at this time, and she summoned Barak to get 10,000 from the people of Naphtali and Zebulun and draw out Sisera to battle. The battle was successful for the people of Israel, and Sisera fled from the battle. Here’s what happens next from Judges 4:17-24;

“But Sisera fled away on foot to the tent of Jael, the wife of Heber the Kenite, for there was peace between Jabin the king of Hazor and the house of Heber the Kenite. And Jael came out to meet Sisera and said to him, “Turn aside, my lord; turn aside to me; do not be afraid.” So he turned aside to her into the tent, and she covered him with a rug. And he said to her, “Please give me a little water to drink, for I am thirsty.” So she opened a skin of milk and gave him a drink and covered him.

“And he said to her, “Stand at the opening of the tent, and if any man comes and asks you, ‘Is anyone here?’ say, ‘No.’” But Jael the wife of Heber took a tent peg, and took a hammer in her hand. Then she went softly to him and drove the peg into his temple until it went down into the ground while he was lying fast asleep from weariness. So he died. And behold, as Barak was pursuing Sisera, Jael went out to meet him and said to him, “Come, and I will show you the man whom you are seeking.” So he went in to her tent, and there lay Sisera dead, with the tent peg in his temple.

“So on that day God subdued Jabin the king of Canaan before the people of Israel. And the hand of the people of Israel pressed harder and harder against Jabin the king of Canaan, until they destroyed Jabin king of Canaan.”

Sisera asks Jael to tell a lie to protect him, but instead Jael, the wife of Heber, deceives Sisera, the wicked oppressor and commander of Jabin’s army, and then pounds a tent peg into his skull. Sisera is a seed of the serpent, and this reminds us of God’s sentence to the serpent that the Seed of the woman would crush his head. The serpent used deception on the woman at a tree in the garden of Eden, and here we have a woman deceiving a wicked commander in order to crush his skull. It’s also of interest that Jael lives by a tree, which is recorded in verse 11.

“Now Heber the Kenite had separated from the Kenites, the descendants of Hobab the father-in-law of Moses, and had pitched his tent as far away as the oak in Zaanannim, which is near Kedesh.”

This says that Heber and Jael, husband and wife, had separated from the Kenites. In other words they had become Christians, or God fearers. But Sisera did not know this. Apparently Jael knew who Sisera was. She deceives him, and then kills him.

In Judges 5 is a song that Deborah and Barak sang about this event. The lyrics of this song include this line from verse 24;

“Most blessed of women be Jael, the wife of Heber the Kenite, of tent dwelling women most blessed.”

Example #4

The next example of God’s people using deception as a means of protection and peace I take from 1 Samuel 21:10-15. This example has some similarities to Abraham and Isaac when they had come into the land of Pharaoh and Abimelech.

In this account, David is fleeing from Saul. First he came to Ahimelech the priest in Nob. He obtained bread and a sword from Ahimelech. Then he comes to Achish, the king of Gath, and discovers that some of the king’s servants know of him. Well, here’s the text;

“And David rose and fled that day from Saul and went to Achish the king of Gath. And the servants of Achish said to him, “Is not this David the king of the land? Did they not sing to one another of him in dances, ‘Saul has struck down his thousands, and David his ten thousands’?”

“And David took these words to heart and was much afraid of Achish the king of Gath. So he changed his behavior before them and pretended to be insane in their hands and made marks on the doors of the gate and let his spittle run down his beard. Then Achish said to his servants, “Behold, you see the man is mad. Why then have you brought him to me? Do I lack madmen, that you have brought this fellow to behave as a madman in my presence? Shall this fellow come into my house?”

Here is David in the presence of the King of Gath pretending to be insane, a madman. It works, and David is not bothered. Should we conclude that David was not trusting God and therefore sinning? Should he have been honest about who he was, acted courageously, and trusted God for protection? I think he did “act” courageously, and was trusting God, and was not sinning. God did protect him, using the means of David’s good plan and work of drama to the end of his being left alone, and being able to escape.

Shall we say this was wrong? It behooves us to remember the words of Jesus that we are to judge with righteous judgment (John 7:24), and with what measure we judge another that will be the standard by which we are judged. Have any of us ever been in life threatening situations where what we reveal means the difference between life, death, or unjust imprisonment? Or have we been in situations where loved ones or innocent lives are endangered based on something we are asked to reveal? I hope it never happens, but what would I do? How are we to understand these many examples from the very word of God?

I want to add here that David also deceived Ahimelech the priest in Nob, where he had obtained bread and a sword. (1 Samuel 21:1-9). This encounter between David and Ahimelech resulted in the death of Ahimelech and 84 of the priests of Nob, and all the inhabitants of Nob. David admitted that he had occasioned the deaths of these people. (1 Samuel 22). One can argue that David’s use of deception with Ahimelech in Nob was sinful because it was not necessary, and it resulted in a great slaughter of innocent God fearing people. David cannot be blamed for their murder, which was Saul’s and Doeg’s doing. But I believe David did wrong in deceiving Ahimelech.

As Christian brothers and sisters, we are commanded not to lie to one another, and to treat each other honestly. So, any use of deception must follow Biblical principle and example. This requires wisdom and discernment. Our heavenly Father is just that, a Father. He teaches us His ways, sent His Son to save us and show us, and gives us His Spirit to speak the wisdom of His Word to our hearts and minds. As this world has progressed and still progresses to His will being done on earth as it is in heaven, there are and will be less and less occasion for the use of deception for protection of self and others. O Lord, hasten the complete coming of Your heavenly Kingdom to earth, that Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Amen.

Example #5

Many Christians are critical of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Rebekah using deception against tyrants, thieves, God-haters, rebel sinners, and backslidden Christians. These uses of deception have been for protection or to retain/obtain God given property or blessing. There are many examples of godly people in the Bible who are hiding from the wicked, deceiving them, withholding information, etc.

Here is example #5 from 1 Samuel 19:11-17. In this event, Saul desires to kill David having just thrown a spear at him in an attempt at murder, but missed. Then Saul’s men are commanded to wait outside David’s house and kill him in the morning. Michal, David’s wife, warns her husband that he’s going to be killed if he doesn’t flee.

So, she helps him out the window and lowers him to the ground. Then she put an image in David’s bed with goat’s hair for a head and put clothes on it. When Saul sent men to take David, Michal told them that he was sick. Then Saul sent messengers to bring David in his bed so Saul could kill him. When they came in they found the dummy Michal had made up and put in the bed. Then Saul said to his daughter, Michal;

“Why have you deceived me like this, and sent my enemy away, so that he escaped?”
Michal answered, “He said to me, ‘Let me go! Why should I kill you?’”

Michal deceives her wicked father, Saul, and his men in order to save her innocent husband’s life. Did she sin? It is true she bore false witness, but she did not do it against her neighbor. She did it for her neighbor. She saved her husband’s life, and kept her father from murdering her husband. She risked her own life in this action. Did Michal commit a despicable sin?

Example #6

In Genesis 31:19 it says;

“Laban had gone to shear his sheep, and Rachel stole her father’s household gods.”

Jacob sneaked away from Laban with his wives and children. Laban pursued them, and amongst other things asked about his household gods. He searched the tents of Jacob to find them. In verses 33-35;

“So Laban went into Jacob’s tent and into Leah’s tent and into the tent of the two female servants, but he did not find them. And he went out of Leah’s tent and entered Rachel’s. Now Rachel had taken the household gods and put them in the camel’s saddle and sat on them. Laban felt all about the tent, but did not find them. And she said to her father, “Let not my lord be angry that I cannot rise before you, for the way of women is upon me. So he searched but did not find the household gods.”

Rachel deceives her father, a wicked man. She is sitting on and humiliating his household gods, and excuses herself from rising in his presence because the way of women is upon her.

What about this theft and deception? Jacob tells Laban that the one who has stolen his gods shall not live. But the text includes the statement that Jacob did not know Rachel had stolen them. So, there is a strong argument here that Rachel did wrong in stealing her father’s idols. But one can argue also that idols are worse than useless, worse than garbage. In fact, consider 1 Cor. 8:4; “... we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one.” Rachel stole “nothing.” Probably stretching it, but something to consider. Another argument comes from a little known fact that the household gods had something to do in representing inheritance, so it could be argued that these belonged to Laban’s children or daughters in some way. Anyway, we are told in the context of this account that Laban treated his daughters ill, and had devoured their money.

Were these acts of deception and a prank theft despicably sinful, or something else?

EXAMPLE #7

Here is the account of the kings from the east, wise men, who travel to visit the Christ after His birth. They first go to King Herod and ask him, “Where is He who has been born king of the Jews? For we saw His star when it rose and have come to worship Him.”

Herod and all Jerusalem were troubled by this. He finds out from the chief priests and scribes that the Christ was to be born in Bethlehem. Then Herod secretly summons the wise men and deceives them into thinking that he would also come and worship the infant King, the Christ.

The wise men, these kings, after they have found the Christ, presented their gifts and worshiped Him, are then “divinely” warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, so they departed another way. About this take note what the Holy Spirit inspired word of God says;

“Then Herod, when he saw that he was deceived by the wise men, was exceedingly angry ...”

The Bible recognizes that the wise men “deceived” Herod. Was it sinful for the wise men to deceive Herod? Herod had deceived the wise men, or tried to. There is deception unto goodness, and there is deception unto evil. Is it lawful to deceive for good, to avoid evil? Most assuredly it is despicably sinful to deceive with evil motives!

EXAMPLE #8

In John 7, the brothers of Jesus (who do not yet believe in Him) urge Him to make Himself known to the world by going to the feast of booths. Jesus replies to them;

“My time has not yet come, but your time is always here. The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify about it that its works are evil. You go up to the feast, for my time has not yet fully come. After this He remained in Galilee.”

Jesus leaves His brothers with the impression that He is not going to this feast. But here, get the “rest of the story;”

“But when His brothers had gone up, then He also went up to the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret. The Jews sought Him at the feast, and said, ‘Where is He?’

Jesus gives His brothers the impression that He is not going to this feast. However, after His brothers have gone, He goes to the feast in secret. The Bible is very clear that Jesus committed no sin, therefore we know for certain that these actions of fooling/deceiving His brothers and His secrecy were not sins. While He did not directly tell His brothers He was not going to the feast, it seems He left them with that impression. And then He went up in secret. Why? It seems quite clear that He did it to protect Himself. He said His time had not yet fully come, so He protected Himself until His time had come.

EXAMPLE #9 This is the last example I give, though there are more.

Jesus was asked by His disciples why He taught them in parables. His answer is interesting. From Mark 4:11-12, 34;

“And He said to them; ‘To you it has been given to know the mytery of the kingdom of God, but to those who are outside, all things come in parables, so that, ‘seeing they may see and not perceive, and hearing they may hear and not understand; lest they should turn, and their sins be forgiven them.’”

“He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to His own disciples He explained everything.”

See also the parallel passages in Matthew 13:10-16 and Luke 8:9-11. Jesus deliberately hides the truths He is teaching from certain people. What should we call it when Jesus is deliberately hiding what is true? Is this like deception, trickery, or being sneaky? At least we can say that He is holding back information. What He Himself says sounds very much like He is against them having the Truth, so He hides it from them.

Anyway, it seems that those who so strongly condemn Abram and later Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, for committing descipable sins have to consider a similar condemnation for David, Rahab, Jael, Deborah, Michal, Rachel, the wise men, the angels of God, Jesus Himself, and God, who had “divinely warned the wise men.” Jesus tried many times to hide who He really was, which is also what Abraham did.

As I said above, there are many other examples. For one more, consider Joseph in Egypt and how many times he tricked and deceived his brothers. Yet, in God’s word he is one of the leading types of our Lord Jesus Christ. In fact, his use of deception toward his brothers seems a picture of what Jesus does to the children of Israel in hiding Himself from them, and hiding His truth from them.

Please consider these examples, and let’s consider putting an end to the condemnation of God’s partriarchs since their faith in God was accounted to them for righteousness.

Can a legitimate case be made that our gracious God has made allowance for the use by His people of some forms of deception, dishonesty, secrets, which are to be used for protection against wickedness encountered in a sinful world. It is impossible for God to lie, and we are to be holy as He is holy. But what are we to think of these examples from His word, from His very own revelation of wisdom, power, might, beauty, and love to us, His people? How are we to understand this?

I conclude repeating what I said at the end of one example above;

As Christian brothers and sisters, we are commanded not to lie to one another, and to treat each other honestly. So, any use of deception must follow Biblical principle and example. This requires wisdom and discernment. Our heavenly Father is just that, a Father. He teaches us His ways, sent His Son to save us and show us His ways, and gives us His Spirit to speak the wisdom of His Word to our hearts and minds. As this world has progressed and still progresses toward the goal of God’s will being done on earth as it is in heaven, there are and will be less and less occasion for the use of deception for protection of self and others. O Lord, hasten the complete coming of Your heavenly Kingdom to earth, that Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Amen.

Yuri Bezmenov, we need you!

Not one person on here even hinted that this was a”Trump Worship Thread”. That comment alone reduces your intelligent input here. I have read your posts looking for the March 16 interaction and they are by far mostly negative.

1) I feel the heart of the criminal/Treason case against the conspirators needs to start BEFORE the FISA warrant, BEFORE the Fusion/Steele dossier, BEFORE the leaks and unmaskings. I feel these later developments were more likely a prophylactic cover up, trying to provide a veneer of legality over the illegal police-state (KGB-like) tactics which the Obama administration had been applying all along.

They needed to cover The Hammer.
http://theamericanreport.org/2017/03/17/whistleblower-tapes-trump-wiretapped-zillion-times-hammer-brennans-clappers-secret-computer-system/

Not one person on here even hinted that this was a”Trump Worship Thread”. That comment alone reduces your intelligent input here.

According to you.

Assange did a bad thing, in my opinion. However, I do not think he is an evil person like the enemy. I would be perfectly ok with him making a deal if he helps bring the cabal down. Seems to me that’s what he was trying, in a misguided way, to do back in 2010.

Thanks, but cut down the next post to reading length brother. Even Jesus kept it brief.

He also raised my taxes and is failing at the border. ********************************************************* He raises some interesting points...

Thank you.

See what the 9th circuit ruled?

Yes, I believe I did. :)

That only means the ones they can’t deport, send them all to LA, SF, Austin, Portland, Chicago, NYC, and the like.

That comment alone reduces your intelligent input here

Nah, it's the same.

That only means the ones they can’t deport, send them all to LA, SF, Austin, Portland, Chicago, NYC, and the like.

And then get into a Toyota, travel, and destroy your neighborhood, but what the hell, right?

Yeah, and I just got back the biggest federal tax refund of my entire life and I’m 54.

SO...

-SB

Lol. Thanks.

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