Posted on 04/09/2019 12:49:46 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
This Boeing 737 Max 8 problem, again, just to reset this, traces back to 2011. I’ll tell you what this is about. It’s about the bloodletting that is competition in capitalism...I think the competition in capitalism is one of the great things in the design of our country, but it can lead to some things as well. But it’s far better than anything else.
What happened was in 2011, Airbus (which really doesn’t fairly compete because they’re a government entity. The Airbus plane is the result of a coalition of governments in Europe.)
But the Airbus A320 was able to be upgraded and outfitted with new engines, more powerful and more efficient engines without redesigning or rebuilding the airplane. The competition that Boeing has for the A320 was the Boeing 737-500, -600, -700 series. The Boeing 737 design would not accommodate simply upgrading engines.
If they had just put new engines — larger but more efficient engines on those wings, because it’s so low to the ground, it would totally upset the center of gravity. It would change the angle of attack. So they had to modify certain aspects of the Boeing 737, rather than go to the expense of redesigning it, retooling the manufacturing equipment and process. And they created software to handle how the airplane would behave differently during takeoff and at flight. And that’s what the MCAS system is.
...The nose gear was actually eight inches longer to accommodate the bigger engines. So it changes the elevation of the nose of the airplane as it’s flying through the air, creating the aerodynamics that are called “lift.” So because it tended to elevate the nose, these new engines and new angle of attack, they needed software on the rear horizontal stabilizer to keep the nose down.
(Excerpt) Read more at rushlimbaugh.com ...
You again post fake info.
“The question is the Max stable enough to be hand flown under all conditions? “
Not stable enough to fly through black holes.
You are a licensed pilot?
“The only real problem with the upgraded 737 is the augmented stability system used to allow the upgraded 737 to mimic the same flight characteristics as the older models to the 737 to allow pilot trained on older models to fly the newer version with minimal retraining”
No. In operation the MCAS should never activate.
Bigger plane more expensive to operate.
The 757 was a very unappreciated aircraft that would have been truly outstanding with an engine upgrade and other mods
Better than the 737 max in most respects
But the 737 was a more evolved airframe and it has a huge installed base that made it more commercially viable than a 757 derivative
All of this “Baseball, Hot Dogs, Apple Pie, and Boeing” rhetoric isn’t going to wash. Boeing is just as much of a quasi-governmental entity as Airbus, and its technology is falling behind.
What is this "it" he is referring too?
It seems to me if auto pilot, and MCAS are disabled a pilot would have to be concerned with the nose rising, and not be worried about the nose pointing down? - Tom
I'm not disagreeing with everything you said, I've been as taken back as anyone else to hear how badly Boeing screwed this whole thing up. Even Limbaugh tried to make capitalism the culprit, but never finished his thought.
The MCAS system probably does do exactly what you mentioned, or was at least designed to keep the pitch stable when not in autopilot; let go and she just flys. We'll find out if some junior engineer at Honeywell drew up the MCAS and everybody else was in too big a hurry to check his work.
I still can't imagine single sensor dependance on a system, (the aircraft itself) with all kinds of intelligence and information available to override a primitive little wind vane. But no. Simple logic = tragic result.
“Rush should stay away from the technical stuff.”
no kidding ... he got nearly a half a dozen things completely wrong in those paragraphs ...
I find that hard to believe. 1 death in American airspace in 10 years? I’d like to see the actual stats.
” Is he wrong in his presentation?”
yes. just ONE example: “The nose gear was actually eight inches longer to accommodate the bigger engines. So it changes the elevation of the nose of the airplane as it’s flying through the air”
how can a longer nose gear which is fully retracted right after takeoff “change the elevation of the nose of the airplane as it’s flying through the air”?
I see already there were 7 total deaths this calendar year, 3 of them definitely “commercial” for Amazon.
Please see post 11 for more details.
The 737 Max is a brilliant airplane that was put to its limits of present technology. It is a good airplane. The concept of one Individual Angle of Attack controlling the computer is insanity. One device with out a backup system could kill you. It did! Boeing makes the finest aircraft in the world. I do not understand why they did this.
I would also suspect inferior pilot training from Boeing on the new aircraft. Yes it was just a new version of a 737 but in reality it was a new aircraft with different computer systems.
If pilots really understood the system they would have just pulled two switches and turned it off and flew it by hand.
The pilots in command of those two airplanes that went in were competent pilots. That means they were not properly trained on this aircraft. Boeing and the airlines own this.
I don’t understand your pushback. We, members of the flying public, are critical of Boeing because we want it to live up to its name. The company, like many other institutions in our country, used to be great.
“Make America Great AGAIN.”
“You are a licensed pilot?”
My husband is and I am hoping to do my first solo in a single engine before Memorial Day.
Well put! Thank you. Boeing has been the best at what they do, but they caved at the altar of short term profits...which among other things included the challenge posed by the latest Airbus in 2011. That is what Rush Limbaugh is getting at. They were even in the middle of working on redesigning a whole new plane to compete, but didn’t want to deal with the delays such an endeavor would pose. Hence just adjusting the pre-existing 737.
I wish there could be a reset for the company now. MBGA, Make Boeing Great Again.
I agree. There have been plenty of deaths in FAA regulated airspace in the past ten years.
Lots of video of these disasters on You Tube, too.
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