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How a Train Through Paradise Turned Into a $9 Billion Debacle
WSJ ^ | 22 Mar 2019 | Dan Frosch, Paul Overberg

Posted on 03/24/2019 2:42:43 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

The train through paradise should have been complete by now...More than a decade after inception... The cost overruns are among the largest that transportation experts say they’ve ever seen... The federal government has long since suspended payment of its share of the budget... The environmental-impact study wasn’t complete. Neither were surveys of archaeological and historic sites, including wahi pana, which are places Native Hawaiians consider significant. The city hadn’t coordinated plans with the electric utility, the state university or groups that owned land along the route. ...A 2006 note from one FTA official to another, unearthed in a lawsuit, said, “We seem to be proceeding in the hallowed tradition of Honolulu rapid transit studies: never enough time to do it right, but lots of time to do it over.” The city audit showed that of 96 contracts awarded from 2008 to 2016, two-thirds had to be revised, with 641 change orders and amendments.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Humor
KEYWORDS: hawaii; honolulu
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From the island of 0bama. Another gravy train to nowhere, not even high speed?
1 posted on 03/24/2019 2:42:43 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Boy Libs sure love their Choo Choos...


2 posted on 03/24/2019 2:45:20 PM PDT by Kozak (DIVERSITY+PROXIMITY=CONFLICT)
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To: Kozak

lol

Doesn’t AOC want one to Europe?

That would take at least 3 months :)


3 posted on 03/24/2019 2:47:11 PM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know if.. Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Why does Hawaii need a train? Total area, all islands: 10,931 square miles. Hawaii, largest island: 4,028 square miles.


4 posted on 03/24/2019 2:48:57 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: Kozak

> Boy Libs sure love their Choo Choos... <

I think it’s a case of Europe-envy. Europe has high-speed trains, so by golly, we’ve got to have high speed trains too. Practicality doesn’t enter into the equation.


5 posted on 03/24/2019 2:52:23 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot train.

(paved paradise song)

6 posted on 03/24/2019 2:56:31 PM PDT by Redcitizen
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To: DUMBGRUNT

The whole scheme was an elaborate money laundering setup.Beaucoup political donors are getting rich from contracts.

What really pisses the reat of the state of is forcing us to help pay for the damn thing. Of absolutely no use to the other islands/counties, or even those on the north side of Oahu.

Building a double deck highway made a lot more sense.


7 posted on 03/24/2019 3:04:48 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Fungi
Hawaii has plenty of trains. Mostly privately owned by Big Food, iirc.

OTOH, one of the big things now is "floating" tunnels.

Might be a way to link the larger islands in the chain.

8 posted on 03/24/2019 3:10:44 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Fungi
"Hawaii" does not need it. Honolulu on Oahu is an overcrowded cesspool with wretched highways and streets. Honolulu adds people by building up, with no highway improvement for the added crowd. Benn described as the Miami of the Pacific. Dunno, never been to Miami.

This idiot train, among other things, was a sop to developers of what is essentially west Honolulu. Traffic is absolutely jammed and slowing further development. The train would give them the green light to clog things up worse.

9 posted on 03/24/2019 3:11:25 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: dp0622

Decades ago, when I rode a mastodon to school, our paper had a regular Sunday feature about the future. I still remember the one about a high-speed train to Asia, Europe, and possibly Africa. It was to go across Alaska, then a bridge or tunnel across the Bering Sea to Russia, then across the USSR to western Europe and England, via another tunnel. The Chunnel part happened, at least.


10 posted on 03/24/2019 3:13:18 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Fungi
Why does Hawaii need a train?

Because roads in and around Honolulu are a parking lot filled with tourism workers coming and going throughout the day.

11 posted on 03/24/2019 3:14:48 PM PDT by TADSLOS (I gotta see the candy first, then I get in the van. IÂ’m not stupid.)
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To: Fungi
Why does Hawaii need a train?

For Jocelyn Banks, it can’t be finished soon enough. Traffic into Honolulu turns what should be a 30- to 45-minute commute from her home in Nanakuli on Oahu’s leeward coast into a two-hour drive. In October, exhausted from waking up at 5 each day, she fell asleep driving home and hit the car in front of her, she said.

Should not be a problem when they ban autos and trucks. Also, ever-increasing taxes might(?) cut into the tourist trade; cutting traffic.

The airplane ban is a sure fix!

12 posted on 03/24/2019 3:24:32 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!")
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To: Fungi

Traffic in Honolulu is horrific. There are several times during the day when you’re simply dumb to start any journey requiring being on the freeway.

Also, of course, most of the road area is a donut around the island, so the traffic is all focused.

Does it need a train? Kind of a separate issue. It’s a goofy place. Beautiful, but goofy.


13 posted on 03/24/2019 3:32:45 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Apoplectic is where we want them)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
What was promised:

What you actually get:


14 posted on 03/24/2019 3:32:49 PM PDT by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

It’s Hawaii they’ll go back to outrigger dugout canoes.
The rowing is good for you!


15 posted on 03/24/2019 3:32:58 PM PDT by Reily
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To: DUMBGRUNT

from the title i thought this would be another california high speed rail to nowhere article...

we in california are lucky that bart actually got built.

actually we are not lucky since bart runs at a perennial loss and continually sucks tax money away from other more worthy but less glamorous local mass transit systems... the liberal establishment has been playing this game for a long, long time...


16 posted on 03/24/2019 3:57:02 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Can we sell Hawaii to the Japanese?
Perfect fit.

Bidding starts a two dollars


17 posted on 03/24/2019 4:06:58 PM PDT by hadaclueonce ( This time I am Deplorable)
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To: hadaclueonce

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18 posted on 03/24/2019 4:13:27 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!")
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Ten years ago China was making plans for High Speed rail. They were making plans at the same time that California made plans. Now, today, this is the interconnected web of high speed that zooms all over China.


19 posted on 03/24/2019 4:43:41 PM PDT by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: vannrox

Perhaps 10 years ago, I heard a smart young man on CNBC (can’t remember his name) say:

China has central planning by engineers, scientists, and mathematicians.

The US has central planning by lawyers.

Long term, they win.


20 posted on 03/24/2019 4:48:41 PM PDT by nascarnation
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