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Why the ACLU supported Trump scrapping rule on limiting guns for mentally ill
CBC News ^ | Feb 2018 | Mark Gollom

Posted on 11/10/2018 11:21:34 AM PST by CondoleezzaProtege

In February 2017, Trump repealed an Obama-era rule to strengthen the federal gun background check system after the 2012 shooting of 20 young students and six staff at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

There are laws in the United States regarding the sale of weapons to some mentally ill individuals. It is unlawful to sell a firearm to a person who "has been adjudicated as a mental defective" or "has been committed to any mental institution."

Obama's regulation would also have required the Social Security Administration to send the names of some people unable to manage their disability benefits because of mental impairments to the criminal background check system database.

Those people, estimated to number around 75,000, could have been prevented from owning or purchasing a firearm and may have been forced to prove why they were competent enough to do so, opponents of the regulation argued.

Those opposed, not surprisingly, included the National Rifle Association. But on this particular issue, Trump also had backing from an organization usually highly critical of him: The American Civil Liberties Union.

In a blog post last year, the ACLU said that while it does not oppose gun control laws, those laws need to be be fair and not based on prejudice and stereotype.

To add innocent Americans to this criminal database because of a mental disability "is a disturbing trend," it said.

Democratic Senator Chris Murphy told the Associated Press he didn't know how he could explain to his constituents, including those in Newtown, that Congress was making it easier rather than harder for people with serious mental illness to have a gun.

"If you can't manage your own financial affairs, how can we expect that you're going to be a responsible steward of a dangerous, lethal firearm," Murphy said.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbc.ca ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: aclu; banglist; guns; mentalhealth; mentalillness; nra

1 posted on 11/10/2018 11:21:34 AM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
"If you can't manage your own financial affairs, how can we expect that you're going to be a responsible steward of a dangerous, lethal firearm," Murphy said.

If inability to competently manage finances is a disqualifier to gun ownership, most if not all every member of Congress would be denied gun ownership. I have twenty trillion pieces of evidence to back that up.
2 posted on 11/10/2018 11:28:14 AM PST by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: LostInBayport
If inability to competently manage finances is a disqualifier to gun ownership, most if not all every member of Congress would be denied gun ownership. I have twenty trillion pieces of evidence to back that up.

👊🏻😀

3 posted on 11/10/2018 11:32:58 AM PST by TADSLOS (I hate Russian Dolls. They are so full of themselves.)
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To: LostInBayport

The jokes keep on writing themselves as far as anti gun Democrats are concerned, eh?


4 posted on 11/10/2018 11:35:52 AM PST by OttawaFreeper ("The Gardens was founded by men-sportsmen-who fought for their country" Conn Smythe, 1966)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

The change Trump made had nothing to do with mental illness. It had to do with people who had a “Representative Payee”(RP) that had control of that person’s social security.

There are many reasons a person may have an RP. Mental deficiency is only one of them and any firearm restrictions that need to be placed on such people is handled by current law.


5 posted on 11/10/2018 11:40:32 AM PST by UnstableGenius
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I’m not worrying about people who cannot balance their checkbooks.

I’m concerned about people who make their own mothers terrified in their own home or their neighbors who see animals killed by the psycho kid next door and the law doesn’t do a damned thing.

Lets start on the ones everybody agrees is nuts and leave the depressed vets alone.


6 posted on 11/10/2018 11:46:26 AM PST by RedMonqey ("Those who turn their arms in for plowshares will be doing the plowing for those who didn't.")
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Just out of curiosity:

How many mass killings have people with representative payees committed?


7 posted on 11/10/2018 11:54:00 AM PST by ArmstedFragg (So Long Obie)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Sounds like Murphy disqualified just about every Democrat in government.


8 posted on 11/10/2018 12:53:44 PM PST by Fido969 (In!)
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To: Fido969

But what about the other issue in question? The mentally ill?


9 posted on 11/10/2018 1:01:40 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: RedMonqey; UnstableGenius; TADSLOS; OttawaFreeper; LostInBayport
I’m not worrying about people who cannot balance their checkbooks.

I’m concerned about people who make their own mothers terrified in their own home or their neighbors who see animals killed by the psycho kid next door and the law doesn’t do a damned thing.

Lets start on the ones everybody agrees is nuts...

Agreed. Not only due to practical necessity in saving lives and getting people help, but politically speaking: this issue may singlehandedly be halting the MAGA momentum and giving Democrats too easy of an issue to capitalize on.

10 posted on 11/10/2018 1:11:33 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: PROCON

2A Ping.


11 posted on 11/10/2018 1:17:29 PM PST by TADSLOS (I hate Russian Dolls. They are so full of themselves.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
this issue may singlehandedly be halting the MAGA momentum and giving Democrats too easy of an issue to capitalize on.

If the cops receive an creditable threat from family, friends and neighbors and repeatedly so, then the cops have enough witnesses to file charges and have them convicted. Thus the culprits gun rights would not be an issue.

Of course many of these same villains will just change their method of killing. The bar murder will just be attacked with Molotov cocktails and the murder count probably be higher.

And pipe bombs made with black powder ain't very difficult to make.

Insane people used to be put away for their own safety, now we have to give away our rights and our safety just so Democrats and their idiotic suburban moms feel safe
12 posted on 11/10/2018 1:38:06 PM PST by RedMonqey ("Those who turn their arms in for plowshares will be doing the plowing for those who didn't.")
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
"Lets start on the ones everybody agrees is nuts..."

And therein lies the problem. What are the exact criteria for deciding who exactly is "everybody agrees is nuts?"

Right now, 50% of the country is convinced that Trump is nuts. Should we take his guns away?

13 posted on 11/10/2018 5:19:21 PM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege; TADSLOS; mylife; Joe Brower; MaxMax; Randy Larsen; waterhill; Envisioning; ...

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14 posted on 11/10/2018 6:31:59 PM PST by PROCON ('Progressive' is a Euphemism for Totalitarian)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

probably because neo-liberalism has been declared a mental illness


15 posted on 11/10/2018 6:32:21 PM PST by elbook
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To: RedMonqey
If the cops receive an creditable threat from family, friends and neighbors and repeatedly so, then the cops have enough witnesses to file charges and have them convicted. Thus the culprits gun rights would not be an issue.

Yeah...that didn’t work out so well for the old guy in Maryland last week. Family calls the cops on him, cops force their way into his home and he ends up dead.

No process of adjudication for him. No subpoena, no hearing, no psych evaluation. Just a forced entry and a bullet or three...

And a very slippery slope to bury him on.

16 posted on 11/10/2018 6:42:23 PM PST by TADSLOS (I hate Russian Dolls. They are so full of themselves.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Wasn’t it specifically help with finances? But the commies will take anything that limits our Natural Rights.


17 posted on 11/10/2018 7:06:38 PM PST by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

You can’t be deprived of your constitutional rights without due process.


18 posted on 11/10/2018 8:32:58 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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Not lawfully any way...


19 posted on 11/11/2018 7:50:52 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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