Posted on 11/02/2018 10:36:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
Where exactly did the Council of Nicea meet in 325? As described in their article "Nicea's Underwater Basilica" in the November/December 2018 issue of BAR, Mustafa Sahin and Mark R. Fairchild have an idea. In 2014, an ancient basilica was discovered 165 feet off the coast of Iznik, submerged 6-10 feet under Lake Askanios. Subsequent survey and excavation headed by Professor Mustafa Sahin of Uludag University determined that this Nicea church had three aisles and a central apse and dated to the late fourth-early fifth century... The floor of the basilica's nave lay 1.6 feet lower than its walls, suggesting to the archaeologists that the basilica had been built over an earlier structure. And this earlier structure, it seems, had been constructed atop a necropolis, as evidenced by the discovery of several graves... The archaeologists suggest that the graves surrounded the tomb of Neophytos... Eusebius of Caesarea, an early Christian historian, described the Council of Nicea as follows: "The most eminent servants of God from all the churches that filled Europe, Africa, and Asia gathered together, and one place of worship, as if expanded by God, accommodated the people." Sahin and Fairchild posit that the early Christian church underneath the fourth-fifth-century basilica, constructed at such a meaningful location, could have been the place where Constantine first convened over 300 bishops in 325 C.E. The Council of Nicea would eventually move to -- and conclude in -- Constantine's palace in Nicea. To further explore the archaeological discoveries off the shore of Nicea, from structural remains to coins to the skeletons of those buried in this important city, read the full article "Nicea's Underwater Basilica" by Mustafa Sahin and Mark R. Fairchild in the November/December 2018 issue of BAR.
(Excerpt) Read more at biblicalarchaeology.org ...
Visible in this aerial view are the submerged remains of the late fourth–early fifth century C.E. Nicea church near Iznik in Turkey. Beneath this lies an earlier church that may have accommodated the Council of Nicea in 325 C.E. Photo: Mustafa Sahin.
Is this the one where all those rich white guys made up which books to put in the Bible? /s
Yeah, then they made the Earth warm up and it flooded out the place where they had held the meeting. /j
Yeah - all those Lear jets flying in from all over the world. (Well - the “known” world anyhow.)
That would be pretty cool to have one of those homes near those old ruins. Amazing that they haven’t been overgrown with whatever over the years. A quick search shows that Lake Iznik is freshwater, but still.
It’s where they came up with the first version of the Nicene Creed. The next version, a bit longer to offer a better explanation of the Holy Spirit, was produced in 381 in Constatinople.
The Nicene Creed
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father; by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.
And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; who spake by the Prophets. And I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
“Who is buried in Grant’s tomb?” is a trick question. The correct answer is “Nobody”.
Is how it reads in the Nicene and Niceno-Constantinopolitan creeds.
Yes, you don’t bury people in tombs, you entomb them.
Thanks, I never realized that! The things you learn on FR!
Next time I meet Groucho, I’ll be ready.
Oh my gosh! Sea levels have been rising for 10,000 years! Global Warming is a reality!
Umm Grant’s Tomb is not a tomb but a mausoleum. Just saying.
Any idea whether “He descended into hell” was added to, or removed from, the original?
The line "he descended into hell" in Latin says "he descended ad infernum," which translates as "to the nether regions". It's a reference to the "preaching to the spirits in prison" (the righteous who died before the resurrection, in other words) mentioned in 1 Pt 3:19.
(Groucho) “For $2 I’ll tell you where to find coal.”
(Contestant) “As a geologist, I can find it myself.”
(Groucho) “In the dictionary, and that’s an old gag.”
Hiram Ulysses Grant, better known as Ulysses S. Grant, and his wife, are interred in the mausoleum, so yeah, no one is known to be buried there. Given the long history of human occupation, perhaps there’s some remains underneath everything. :^)
Interesting - thanks for the clarification. I had to memorize the Nicene Creed for a guitar mass when I was attending the Episcopal church in Caracas and I still get them mixed up.
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