Speaker Ryan: ‘You cannot end birthright citizenship with an executive order’

Politico.com ^ | 10/20/18 | By BURGESS EVERETT and CAITLIN OPRYSKO

[GrandJediMasterYoda]

Speaker Ryan: ‘You cannot end birthright citizenship with an executive order’

House Speaker Paul Ryan on Tuesday broke with President Donald Trump on whether an executive order could deny a constitutional guarantee of citizenship to babies born in the U.S. to noncitizen parents.

But despite Ryan's stern rebuttal to the president, the idea of limiting birthright citizenship still has significant cache among congressional Republicans, even if they aren't quite sure how to undo a constitutional guarantee stemming from the 14th Amendment.

Trump told Axios in an interview released Tuesday that the White House counsel had advised him that there was legal standing to terminate birthright citizenship, and Vice President Mike Pence confirmed that the administration was looking into using executive action as well.

[Herman Ball]

You damn sure cant end it with elected officials.

[Ann Archy]

STFU and GO BACK TO YOUR LEFTIST WIFEW AND IN LAWS!

[Hypo2]

Paul Ryan: “You cannot end birthright citizenship with an executive order,”

I agree...but I also believe you can restrict it to those born to those under the Jurisdiction of the US of A. Which includes legal immigrants and excludes illegal immigrants.

Legitimate refugees and asylum seekers are temporary residents and are not applying for citizenship, so their children, born within country, are also not eligible for birthright citizenship

[DesertRhino]

What an ignorant jackass. What exactly is his supposed expertise on the constitution?

[Hypo2]

I disagree. But it is a minor disagreement within this discussion.

A legal landed immigrant “is subject to the jurisdiction”...

[Lurking Libertarian]

U.S. citizenship is only a birthright of those born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction.

If an illegal alien commits a murder in the U.S., he can be prosecuted. If a foreign diplomat commits a murder in the U.S., he cannot be prosecuted because he has diplomatic immunity. Illegal aliens are therefore subject to our jurisdiction.

[EnquiringMind]

Yes, another Jackass is going to MSNBC. Bye.

[novemberslady]

Sometimes, I just wish paul ryan would stfu and go away...

Just really want a vacation from asshats.

But then, I remember...
I'll have to put up with the reincarnation
of john McCain in mitt romney when he's shoved into the senate soon.

And so there really isn't any rest for the weary

[American in Israel]

That’s Ryan’s personal opinion and he may even hold it honestly.

BS, a 7th grader could read the 14th and understand it. There is not an honest bone in Paul Ryans body. He is a Traitor bent on Global Domination and the destruction of a Free America.

[bakeneko]

Don’t they mean “cachet”?

If you’re going to use some high-falutin’ word at least use it correctly.

And they still think we’re a bunch of rubes.

[upchuck]

Politico has to be posted in bloggers. But all FReepers should follow your lead and post Politico in chat. Great move!

[upchuck]

I’m surprised Ryan had time to comment on this. I’m sure he’s plenty busy these days checking out his cushy new office and staff on K Street and negotiating his benefits pkg. Too bad he’ll have to give up his congressional health plan. I’m sure something better is included in his new benefits.

[rfp1234]

A conserver of the Chamber of Cheap Labor’s influence.

[wgmalabama]

+1. Ok + 10000000000000000000000000000

[Yosemitest]

We need to REQUIRE that students AND VOTERS UNDERSTAND the Constitution.
They must actually READ THE CONSTITUTION !

Rush make the details of this discussion VERY CLEAR today.

EXCERPT ...

RUSH: ... I don’t think any elected Republican other than Trump…
Even if they had made the promises Trump made,
I think all of them would have caved by now.
But Trump hasn’t.
He doubles down.
“Right. I’m gonna issue an executive order;
I’m gonna end birthright citizenship.”
Let me read to you the 14th Amendment and how it begins.
“All persons…”



Now, the 14th Amendment goes back to 1866.
I think it was ratified by Congress in 1866.
It was passed by Congress; ratified by the states two years later.
So in 1866, it was passed by Congress and ratified by the states in 1868,
and its original intent was

to grant citizenship to slaves and their descendants.
It was part and parcel of the post-Civil War era of America fixing itself.
It was a good thing.
Our Constitution was written so that mistakes at the founding could be corrected.
The vast majority of people knew slavery at the founding was untenable,
but they needed the union in order to fight the Revolutionary War.
They needed the southern states.
They needed unity to do that
so they had to accept slavery,
but they built in safeguards to wipe it out,
and it happened in 1868 when the 14th Amendment passed.

It begins this way:
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the U.S. and of the state wherein they reside.”
It was clearly intended to be referring to slaves and their descendants.
The parts that birthright citizenship, uh, freaks have to delete are
“naturalized”
and “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”
You are not naturalized and you are not subject to the U.S. jurisdiction if you’re here illegally !
You cannot be !

You’re under some other country’s jurisdiction.
If you’re here illegally, you cannot possibly be naturalized.
Well, the birthright citizenship crowd —
which wants to water down American culture and destroy Western civilization
— conveniently leaves out “naturalized” and “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”
So your born-here child absolutely is not a citizen.
This is what Trump is saying.
Trump is finally pushing back against an assumption that has been made because
it was the path of least resistance, if you will.
But now it’s make-or-break time.

As my friend McCarthy says,
“You need somebody to break the furniture.”


Sometimes, you gotta remodel the house.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: Okay, a little bit more background on the 14th Amendment here
’cause it’s gonna be relevant as the issue going forward.
Again, it was added after the Civil War.
Its purpose was to overrule the Dred Scott Decision !
Which was a horrible decision.
Dred Scott sanctioned slavery.
Roger Taney was the chief justice, forever the immortalized in infamy.
It held that black slaves were not citizens.
So Congress got into gear and passed the 14th Amendment.

It guaranteed that freed slaves would have all the privileges of citizenship by providing, quote,
“all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States
and of the state wherein they reside,”
which means
the drafters of the 14th Amendment had no intention of conferring citizenship on the children of aliens who happened to be born here.
In fact, the very author of the citizenship cause, Sen. Jacob Howard of Michigan, expressly said…



This is why the original intent of founding documents is so important.
Quote, “This,” meaning the 14th Amendment…

“This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers…”
It was expressly intended to confer citizenship to slaves and their descendants.
There was an 1884 case, Elk v. Wilkins.
The Supreme Court ruled the 14th Amendment did not even confer citizenship on Native Americans
because they were subject to tribal jurisdiction, not U.S. jurisdiction.

Well, an illegal alien here is not subject to U.S. jurisdiction.
They’re under the jurisdiction of where they came from if they’re here illegally.
Guess when this all changed ?
In the 1960s !
Concomitant with Senator Kennedy wanting to reopen…
We had shut down all immigration from ’21 to ’65.
Along comes Senator Kennedy in the pre-Chappaquiddick days wanting to reopen it
for the express purpose of
making sure the Democrat Party always had a permanent underclass of voters dependent on them and the government.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: And, by the way, and even according to our leftist brothers and sisters at NPR report
no nation in Europe confers birthright citizenship.
Liberals love to say we should emulate Europe, right ?
Okay !

BREAK TRANSCRIPT ...

[Lean-Right]

“a constitutional guarantee stemming from the 14th Amendment”
The writer can’t read simple English, nor
do his homework before posting drivel.
Trump is bringing this to the forefront
knowing how SCOTUS will decide on this
issue. This is exactly why the Dems
fought so hard to keep Kavanaugh out.

[GrandJediMasterYoda]

I heard that today, well yesterday while driving, one of Rushs best shows ever

[Yosemitest]

~ Reverse the Magnet ~

This is what it takes:

   1. Secure the border in a transparently verifiable way;

   2. End the anchor-baby interpretation of the 14th Amendment;

   3. Enforce E-Verify without exception and with severe penalties;

   4. End chain migration. Entry per individual qualifications, not family ties;

   5. Deportation upon contact with any law enforcement agency - federal, state, or local;

   6. No government benefits beyond critical emergency care (and that ought to be billed back to the home government);

   7. No "Path to Citizenship" - EVER - for anyone who has entered the US illegally.

Any measure which does not accomplish these things is unacceptable. It is de facto amnesty. And it will inevitably, ineluctably encourage millions and millions more illegal entries.

Sounds like a great "Plan of Action" to me.

[DakotaGator]

Concur!

[DakotaGator]

By that logic, everyone is a citizen of every country.

All aliens are subject to the laws of the country in which they are physically present. However, they are also subject to the jurisdiction of the country of their citizenship. They not only must obey the laws of their location, but those of their country. That is inherent in every nation's sovereignty.

The 14th amendment's use of “jurisdiction” is well documented to be synonymous with “allegiance”. It was written that way, it was considered that way, and it was ratified that way.

Citizenship based solely on place of birth was part of monarchies. Basically; “You were born here. You belong to me.” We rejected that concept with the Revolution and the War of 1812. United States citizenship comes from the parents citizenship or naturalization, not place of birth.