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Harper’s Weekly – October 2, 1858
Harper's Weekly archives ^ | October 2, 1858

Posted on 10/02/2018 6:05:52 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: civilwar
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Free Republic University, Department of History presents U.S. History, 1855-1860: Seminar and Discussion Forum
Bleeding Kansas, Dred Scott, Lincoln-Douglas, Harper’s Ferry, the election of 1860, secession – all the events leading up to the Civil War, as seen through news reports of the time and later historical accounts

First session: November 21, 2015. Last date to add: Sometime in the future.
Reading: Self-assigned. Recommendations made and welcomed. To add this class to or drop it from your schedule notify Admissions and Records (Attn: Homer_J_Simpson) by reply or freepmail.

Link to previous thread

1 posted on 10/02/2018 6:05:52 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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The Launch of the “General Admiral” – 1-2
Editorials – 2-4
The Lounger – 4-5
A Trip to Bash Bish – 6-9
A Man Lost in the Clouds – 9-10
A Trip to Niagara Falls – 11-17
The Mountebank – 17-19
Boulogne – 20-22
Surprising Mail-Coach Adventure of Capt. Billy Tregear– 23
“Life’s Little Game of Cards” – 23-24
Chess Chronicle – 24
The Quarantine Question – 25
2 posted on 10/02/2018 6:12:58 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

The General Admiral was a frigate ordered by the Russian Imperial Navy built in New York.


3 posted on 10/02/2018 6:15:24 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan
A wooden steam frigate, fast for its time, served in the Mediterranean & Baltic until 1869.


4 posted on 10/02/2018 7:59:24 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
"Man lost in the clouds"

Balloons are a fairly newfangled invention -- Napoleon had no use for them, though lately the French seem more interested, possibly against Austrians?
We have to wonder if any US politician would see their application in warfare?
Maybe even the first aircraft carrier?


5 posted on 10/02/2018 8:16:36 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: BroJoeK

I was reading the Wikipedia entry the frigate took 11 days to cross the Atlantic when the Blue Riband holder for fastest crossing was 9 days and 16 hours.


6 posted on 10/02/2018 8:40:34 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: BroJoeK; C19fan

So, a 19th century hybrid.


7 posted on 10/02/2018 8:55:12 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

The ship would be obsolete in a few years. The first ironclad warship the French Glorie was being built at the same time this ship was launched and the HMS Warrior would be laid down a year later. One transitional characteristics of the Russian frigate was the use of iron to reinforce the wooden hull.


8 posted on 10/02/2018 9:00:47 AM PDT by C19fan
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c19fan: "...the frigate took 11 days to cross the Atlantic when the Blue Riband holder for fastest crossing was 9 days and 16 hours."

From 1856 until 1863 the "Blue Riband" (not called that at the time) was held by Cunard's SS Persia, a 3,300 ton paddle-wheeler, which could do 13 knots.
Persia was nearly 100 feet longer, 1/3 less weight and 80% more powerful engines than the Russian warship.
But General Admiral could do 12.3 knots which was as fast as the fastest civilian ships as recently as 1850.

SS Persia:

9 posted on 10/03/2018 2:55:47 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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Continued from September 29 (reply #16) .

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The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

10 posted on 10/05/2018 7:59:23 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Continued from September 26 (reply #11).

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Allen C. Guelzo, Lincoln and Douglas: The Debates that Defined America

11 posted on 10/06/2018 5:39:25 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I did a second take when I saw the name Allen C. Guelzo on my Twitter timeline this morning. He has an opinion piece on the Kavanaugh business in the Wall Street Journal today. I can’t read it because of their paywall but maybe some of our classmates will be interested.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/kavanaugh-may-be-the-democrats-waterloo-1538780107?mod=e2two


12 posted on 10/06/2018 7:58:27 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Text of the Galesburg debate:

https://www.nps.gov/liho/learn/historyculture/debate5.htm

C-SPAN re-enactment:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?59824-1/lincoln-douglas-galesburg-debate


13 posted on 10/07/2018 12:08:57 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: iowamark

14 posted on 10/07/2018 12:16:46 AM PDT by iowamark
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Allen C. Guelzo, Lincoln and Douglas: The Debates that Defined America

15 posted on 10/07/2018 7:17:02 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Continued from September 18 (reply #4).

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David Herbert Donald, Lincoln

16 posted on 10/07/2018 7:18:48 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Abraham Lincoln: Speeches and Writings 1832-1858, edited by Don E. Fehrenbacher

17 posted on 10/07/2018 7:21:25 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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John Brown to John T. Cox, October 7, 1858

OTTUMWA, Oct 7, 1858.

MR. JOHN T. COX.

SIR, — You are hereby notified that I hold claims against the National Kansas Committee which are good against them and all persons whatever: and that I have authority from said committee to take possession, as their agent, of any supplies belonging to said committee, wherever found. You will therefore retain in your hands all moneys, notes, or accounts you may now have in your custody, by direction of said committee or any of its agents, and hold them subject to my call or order, as I shall hold you responsible for them to me, as agent of said committee.

JOHN BROWN.
Agent National Kansas Committee.

SOURCE: Franklin B. Sanborn, The Life and Letters of John Brown, p. 521

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Receipt of John Brown, October 7, 1858

[October 7, 1858.]

Received as agent National Kansas Committee, of J. T. Cox, seven men's coarse cotton shirts, placed in his custody by E. B. Whitman, as agent of said committee, for sale or distribution.

JOHN BROWN,
Agt. Sat. Kan. Com.

SOURCE: Franklin B. Sanborn, The Life and Letters of John Brown, p. 521

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18 posted on 10/07/2018 7:25:58 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Continued from October 7 (reply #15).

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Allen C. Guelzo, Lincoln and Douglas: The Debates that Defined America

19 posted on 10/08/2018 5:18:55 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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