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Gravitational waves provide dose of reality about extra dimensions (there aren't any)
Phys.org ^ | 9/14/18 | Louise Lerner

Posted on 09/15/2018 2:10:37 AM PDT by LibWhacker

In new study, UChicago astronomers find no evidence for extra spatial dimensions to the universe based on gravitational wave data. Credit: Courtesy of NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center CI Lab

While last year's discovery of gravitational waves from colliding neutron stars was earth-shaking, it won't add extra dimensions to our understanding of the universe—not literal ones, at least.

University of Chicago astronomers found no evidence for extra spatial dimensions to the universe based on the gravitational wave data. Their research, published in the Journal of Cosmology and Astroparticle Physics, is one of many papers in the wake of the extraordinary announcement last year that LIGO had detected a neutron star collision.

The first-ever detection of gravitational waves in 2015, for which three physicists won the Nobel Prize last year, was the result of two black holes crashing together. Last year, scientists observed two neutron stars collide. The major difference between the two is that astronomers could see the aftermath of the neutron star collision with a conventional telescope, producing two readings that can be compared: one in gravity, and one in electromagnetic (light) waves.

"This is the very first time we've been able to detect sources simultaneously in both gravitational and light waves," said Prof. Daniel Holz. "This provides an entirely new and exciting probe, and we've been learning all sorts of interesting things about the universe."

Einstein's theory of general relativity explains the solar system very well, but as scientists learned more about the universe beyond, big holes in our understanding began to emerge. Two of these are dark matter, one of the basic ingredients of the universe; and dark energy, the mysterious force that's making the universe expand faster over time.

Scientists have proposed all kinds of theories to explain dark matter and dark energy, and "a lot of alternate theories to general relativity start with adding an extra dimension," said graduate student Maya Fishbach, a coauthor on the paper. One theory is that over long distances, gravity would "leak" into the additional dimensions. This would cause gravity to appear weaker, and could account for the inconsistencies.

The one-two punch of gravitational waves and light from the neutron star collision detected last year offered one way for Holz and Fishbach to test this theory. The gravitational waves from the collision reverberated in LIGO the morning of Aug. 17, 2017, followed by detections of gamma-rays, X-rays, radio waves, and optical and infrared light. If gravity were leaking into other dimensions along the way, then the signal they measured in the gravitational wave detectors would have been weaker than expected. But it wasn't.

It appears for now that the universe has the same familiar dimensions—three in space and one of time—even on scales of a hundred million light-years.

But this is just the beginning, scientists said. "There are so many theories that until now, we didn't have concrete ways to test," Fishbach said. "This changes how a lot of people can do their astronomy."

"We look forward to seeing what gravitational-wave surprises the universe might have in store for us," Holz said.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: dimensions; extra; gravitational; waves
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1 posted on 09/15/2018 2:10:37 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

I was unaware of any theory that postulates more than three space dimensions. Even the 12 dimensional Heim Extended Quantum Field Theory has only three space dimensions. The rest are “time-like”.


2 posted on 09/15/2018 2:49:36 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: LibWhacker

Just as well. Humans haven’t figured out how to live properly in the four dimensions we already got.


3 posted on 09/15/2018 2:51:43 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: LibWhacker
The peer review of this study is being called into question by Dr. Reed Richards.

A press conference has been called for later this coming week at the Baxter Building. Richards is also expected to elaborate on his recent remarks that Annihilus is a graver threat to Earth than climate change.

4 posted on 09/15/2018 2:59:43 AM PDT by Ciaphas Cain ("Progressivism" is as every kind of evil: it can never create, only corrupt and destroy.)
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To: LibWhacker
So they couldn't find any evidence for extra spatial dimensions. OK. But here's what I want to know. Did they find any evidence for turtles?


5 posted on 09/15/2018 3:06:02 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: faithhopecharity

...Gravitational waves provide dose of reality about extra dimensions (there aren’t any)...

But, what about the other one liberals live in?


6 posted on 09/15/2018 3:45:53 AM PDT by Sasparilla ( I'm Not Tired of Winning)
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To: SubMareener

This is nine miles over my head, so I’m not pretending to understand it. But I looked it up and, if I got it right, “Bosonic” string theory, which is an early version of string theory, postulated 25 spatial dimensions and one time, and though not in favor, is still being studied.


7 posted on 09/15/2018 3:56:43 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
Someone has to say it, Well, DUH!
8 posted on 09/15/2018 3:56:51 AM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: LibWhacker

Wouldn’t this be a blow for string theory and the multiverse?


9 posted on 09/15/2018 4:06:35 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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To: LibWhacker

The major difference between the two is that astronomers could see the aftermath of the neutron star collision with a conventional telescope, producing two readings that can be compared: one in gravity, and one in electromagnetic (light) waves.

“This is the very first time we’ve been able to detect sources simultaneously in both gravitational and light waves,” said Prof. Daniel Holz. “This provides an entirely new and exciting probe, and we’ve been learning all sorts of interesting things about the universe.”

...

It’s one of the greatest accomplishments of humanity.

Too bad John Wheeler didn’t live long enough to see it.


10 posted on 09/15/2018 4:11:16 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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To: Moonman62

Yes, you would certainly think so.

Personally, I’m disappointed since I’m a big fan of the multiverse


11 posted on 09/15/2018 4:27:17 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Here’s a link to the paper:

https://arxiv.org/abs/1801.08160

It says the dimensions considered are non-compact, so perhaps this isn’t a blow for string theory.


12 posted on 09/15/2018 4:27:54 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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To: Islander7

I can’t say that since that would imply i understand it, which I don’t. But I can and do say, “DOH!”


13 posted on 09/15/2018 4:31:51 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Moonman62
From the paper itself:

We stress that our results do not hold for extradimensional theories with compact extra dimensions (e.g. string theory or the ADD model). The extra dimensions need to be at least on the order of the wavelength of the gravitational waves (∼ 100 km) in orderto have a damping effect. In addition, there may be complications for theories with larger extra dimensions.

14 posted on 09/15/2018 4:40:39 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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To: Moonman62

Read it, thanks.

Good point about the dimensions. Completely missed it in my reading.


15 posted on 09/15/2018 4:52:45 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Moonman62

Do you get run-on text in arXiv papers and abstracts, particularly where they change fonts? I get that no matter which device I’m on: PC, Mac, Kindle, smart phone, doesn’t matter.


16 posted on 09/15/2018 5:12:02 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Moonman62

The multiverse just got wacked.


17 posted on 09/15/2018 5:44:55 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: SubMareener

So does this refute brand theory, or is the relevant scale of the collapsed dimensions all wrong?


18 posted on 09/15/2018 6:01:03 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: LibWhacker

Dimensions are not a place where you can go. Dimension means measure. Like “foot” or “mile.”


19 posted on 09/15/2018 6:29:29 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Cynicism is the only refuge in a world that is determined to eliminate itself.)
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To: LibWhacker

It displays fine for me at the link I gave.

I downloaded the PDF for the entire paper. It all looks OK.


20 posted on 09/15/2018 6:39:04 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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