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Quantum weirdness in 'chicken or egg' paradox
pys.org ^ | September 3, 2018, | University of Queensland

Posted on 09/04/2018 7:29:58 AM PDT by BenLurkin

The University of Queensland and the NÉEL Institute has shown that, as far as quantum physics is concerned, the chicken and the egg can both come first.

Dr Jacqui Romero from the ARC Centre of Excellence for Engineered Quantum Systems said that in quantum physics, cause-and-effect is not always as straightforward as one event causing another.

"The weirdness of quantum mechanics means that events can happen without a set order," she said.

"Take the example of your daily trip to work, where you travel partly by bus and partly by train.

"Normally, you would take the bus then the train, or the other way round.

"In our experiment, both of these events can happen first," Dr Romero said.

(Excerpt) Read more at phys.org ...


TOPICS: Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: chickenoregg; quantum; stringtheory
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"[I]t isn't something that we can observe in our everyday life."

No kidding.

1 posted on 09/04/2018 7:29:58 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

So the end of the Universe can happen before the beginning of the Universe.


2 posted on 09/04/2018 7:35:56 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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To: BenLurkin

Temporal causality is a useful illusion.


3 posted on 09/04/2018 7:37:26 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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Riiiiight


4 posted on 09/04/2018 7:41:51 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

This is one of the single most absurd discussions I’ve ever heard in my life; like the kid in the movie Animal House smoking pot with the professor thinking it’s possible our solar system is like an atom in a chair leg or some such rot.

It’s simple. Always has been.

Egg first.

The thing we call a “chicken” never developed as a mating pair, but hatched out as a combination of genes from its parents and ancestry. After several such of these developed into adults and bred again, eventually “chicken” bred true, meaning, with small tweaks and variations over time, “chicken” was NEVER first but came from an egg from disparate, then eventually more similar parents.

I passed this along to Drs. Chris Wells and Stanley Miller (my undergraduate advisers) and it floored them, but they totally understood it.

Settled science.

Unless you’re on the side of “creation science” in which case God put the chickens here as chickens, in which case the answer is chicken.

Adolescent nihilism to continue arguing over this.


5 posted on 09/04/2018 7:42:16 AM PDT by normbal (normbal. somewhere in socialist occupied America)
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To: BenLurkin

Well, without getting too philosophical about it, if time began with the Big Bang, then what “caused” it could not have happened “before” it. There was no “before”. There are also other paradoxes that you’re stuck with if you’re stuck on mating time with causality.


6 posted on 09/04/2018 7:48:31 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: BenLurkin

Of course either event can happen first. But only one can happen first each occurrence. You can’t take both the train and the bus.


7 posted on 09/04/2018 7:50:30 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: rightwingcrazy

On the contrary, temporal causality is an absolute.


8 posted on 09/04/2018 7:51:53 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: normbal

Baloney. Nothing ever came out of an egg which was a different species than the parents. Just like nothing ever comes out of a mammal, naturally, that wasn’t in the parents.

That is why evolution is a crock. Goldschmidt’s hopeful monsters.


9 posted on 09/04/2018 7:52:16 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: wbarmy

Magic.


10 posted on 09/04/2018 7:56:48 AM PDT by Sawdring
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"The weirdness of quantum mechanics means that events can happen without a set order," she said.

in the same space time plane??? i doubt it...

11 posted on 09/04/2018 8:03:48 AM PDT by Chode ( WeÂ’re America, Bitch!)
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Complete bull$hit. The problem is that these “scientists” immerse themselves in quantum physics and the equations that go with it. Then they define the Universe and reality by what they have been studying.
Sorry, buds, but reality came first, then your pseudoscience. Since your equations don’t describe reality, they are wrong and must be thrown away.
Cause precedes effect - that is part of its definition. Effect does not precede a cause. Be careful not to confuse your dumb experiments with parallel processing.


12 posted on 09/04/2018 8:07:46 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Cynicism is the only refuge in a world that is determined to eliminate itself.)
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"The weirdness of quantum mechanics means that events can happen without a set order," she said.

in the same space time plane??? i doubt it...

Allow me to provide some proof.

The DEMS want to "impeach and jail" the President of the US for crimes he has yet to commit.

13 posted on 09/04/2018 8:15:25 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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ya got me, my bad... what WAS i thinking?


14 posted on 09/04/2018 8:23:42 AM PDT by Chode ( WeÂ’re America, Bitch!)
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"Normally, you would take the bus then the train, or the other way round.

"In our experiment, both of these events can happen first," Dr Romero said.

Uhh--no.

15 posted on 09/04/2018 8:25:36 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: normbal

God also created the egg.


16 posted on 09/04/2018 8:27:03 AM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: BenLurkin

Hello. Are you a chicken?
Nope. I’m an egg.
How did you get here?
I was laid.
Is everyone laid?
Nope. Some are just chicken.


17 posted on 09/04/2018 8:29:59 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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quantum mechanics IS the weirdest thing ever.

it is proof that intelligence in observing the universe controls the behavior of the universe


18 posted on 09/04/2018 8:31:53 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare itself.)
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To: Cvengr

And Schrodinger’s Cat is both alive AND dead!


19 posted on 09/04/2018 8:32:24 AM PDT by catman67 (14 gauge?)
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To: BenLurkin

Furthermore - Are you the Walrus?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkVkkbduFaU


20 posted on 09/04/2018 8:35:08 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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