No kidding.
So the end of the Universe can happen before the beginning of the Universe.
Temporal causality is a useful illusion.
This is one of the single most absurd discussions I’ve ever heard in my life; like the kid in the movie Animal House smoking pot with the professor thinking it’s possible our solar system is like an atom in a chair leg or some such rot.
It’s simple. Always has been.
Egg first.
The thing we call a “chicken” never developed as a mating pair, but hatched out as a combination of genes from its parents and ancestry. After several such of these developed into adults and bred again, eventually “chicken” bred true, meaning, with small tweaks and variations over time, “chicken” was NEVER first but came from an egg from disparate, then eventually more similar parents.
I passed this along to Drs. Chris Wells and Stanley Miller (my undergraduate advisers) and it floored them, but they totally understood it.
Settled science.
Unless you’re on the side of “creation science” in which case God put the chickens here as chickens, in which case the answer is chicken.
Adolescent nihilism to continue arguing over this.
Of course either event can happen first. But only one can happen first each occurrence. You can’t take both the train and the bus.
in the same space time plane??? i doubt it...
Complete bull$hit. The problem is that these “scientists” immerse themselves in quantum physics and the equations that go with it. Then they define the Universe and reality by what they have been studying.
Sorry, buds, but reality came first, then your pseudoscience. Since your equations don’t describe reality, they are wrong and must be thrown away.
Cause precedes effect - that is part of its definition. Effect does not precede a cause. Be careful not to confuse your dumb experiments with parallel processing.
"In our experiment, both of these events can happen first," Dr Romero said.
Uhh--no.
Hello. Are you a chicken?
Nope. I’m an egg.
How did you get here?
I was laid.
Is everyone laid?
Nope. Some are just chicken.
quantum mechanics IS the weirdest thing ever.
it is proof that intelligence in observing the universe controls the behavior of the universe
I know all about bacon grease but Kerrygold butter is the way to go when frying eggs. No other butter will do!
The thing is about these quantum effects :
They work on a micro micro micro scale (the objects involved make an atom relatively the same size as the solar system).
The interactions happen constantly and are so numerous/frequent that they really are the vanilla soup the LARGER universe is built upon (its bit all averages out).
So its stupid and misleading to make believe that ‘your daily trip to work’ is any analogy. It is so divorced from our perceived world, that its like it is mealy the blank canvas everything greater is painted upon.
The train and bus analogy is a non sequitur. Quantum events can be ordered differently but in our spacetime the order is a deterministic chain. Quantum events are not confined to our spacetime ‘flow’.