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Archaeologists Discover Ancient Greek Ship in Black Sea
Greek Reporter ^ | August 7, 2018 | Kerry Kolasa-Sikiaridi

Posted on 08/10/2018 8:24:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Off the coast of the Black Sea in the Mykolaiv region, archaeologists have discovered a sunken ancient Greek shipwreck dating back more than 2.5 thousand years.

The ship, discovered during a joint expedition of the Institute of Archaeology of NAS of Ukraine and the Warsaw Institute of Archaeology, is believed to be one of the oldest of its kind discovered in the region.

According to the head of the black sea international underwater archaeological expedition, Vyacheslav Gerasimov, it may have possibly sailed ancient trade routes to Olbia or Chersonesos.

“This ship is one of the oldest known in the Northern black sea. The ship belonged to the ancient Greek mariners V century BC – the period of colonization of the Northern black sea, when was the first settlement of Olbia,” Gerasimov said.

“Lift without certain conditions for the preservation and storage is impossible; the wood that lays more than 2 thousand years under water may fall to pieces,” Gerasimov explained.

(Excerpt) Read more at eu.greekreporter.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: ancientnavigation; blacksea; chersonesos; godsgravesglyphs; greece; navigation; noahsflood; olbia; poland; robertballard; shipwreck; shipwrecks; ukraine; vyacheslavgerasimov; willardbascom
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To: Pontiac

At least in the Athenian Navy the rowers were free men. Men of the lower classes who couldn’t afford the hoplite panoply but free men. Very well trained, expert towers who could maneuver the Athenian ships like human powered torpedoes, as the Persians discovered.

See

https://www.amazon.com/Lords-Sea-Story-Athenian-Democracy/dp/0143117688/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534000896&sr=8-1&keywords=Athenian+navy


21 posted on 08/11/2018 8:23:15 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Pontiac
That was the illustration in the article; I lifted a caption for it out of the article itself explaining it.

22 posted on 08/11/2018 8:43:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Sure, but the sharks would eat them first.

23 posted on 08/11/2018 8:44:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Reily; Pontiac
Piracy was only an issue where there were other ships. As Greek colonization spread, piracy spread, carried out by the local gentry using their local watercraft, whatever they may have been. During the Roman Empire piracy got wiped out and was kept that way for centuries, thanks to their navy and their naval bases, including one in the Black Sea.

24 posted on 08/11/2018 8:51:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: zeestephen

Not by much. He was born circa 470 BC.


25 posted on 08/11/2018 8:53:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: SunkenCiv

I was fairly certain that you knew that the ship was a Trireme the post was more for the benefit of others


26 posted on 08/11/2018 12:56:29 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Some badass machines of the day.

Be fun to row in one, even in regards to the following, where Aristophanes, in his comedy play The Frogs, refers to the common habit of the upper banks of oarsmen “farting in the face of those below”


27 posted on 08/11/2018 5:25:54 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca. Deport all illegals. Abolish the DEA, IRS and ATF,.)
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To: Pontiac

I may have tracked down the craft in the photo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7da52cJLwW8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INGl8LB9Zxo

Those warships were amazing pieces of engineering, and the reproductions made in recent times are just best guesses. I’m pretty impressed with the ancient merchant ships as well.

The late Lionel Casson described the ancient arms race as the later Greek and Hellenic city states built larger and larger vessels, to the point where they really couldn’t be moved by manpower any longer. The biggest one was such a tourist attraction, when the Romans conquered Greece, they towed it to Italy and up the Tiber and apparently charged admission. :^)


28 posted on 08/11/2018 9:00:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: RedStateRocker

“Was that a ribbet?” ;^)

Aeschylus, the first known writer of Greek tragedy, defended Athens at the battles of Marathon (hoplite), and Salamis (in the rower’s bench), some years apart.


29 posted on 08/11/2018 9:06:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: SunkenCiv

Bkmk


30 posted on 08/11/2018 9:15:12 PM PDT by kanawa (Trump Loves a Great Deal)
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To: Reily
The Spartans took a big chunk of cash from the Persians and used it to build a rival navy, then hired the rowers at a much higher rate than the Athenians could pay. Ended the Peloponnesian War in a trice. They should have had a Reserve Clause.

31 posted on 08/11/2018 10:24:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: SunkenCiv

Yes I have read Thucydides & VDH’s book on the subject “A War Like No Other”. Rowers showed as much loyalty as Alcibiades.


32 posted on 08/12/2018 5:44:01 AM PDT by Reily
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To: SunkenCiv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyXZvnChcmw

This series of about ten episodes describes how alexander sailed over waters that are now dry land to lands on the Oxus river. His troops made it through the lands being fought over oow in Afghanistan, turkministan and uzbeckistan.

You can see the actual Jason’s golden fleece in use tiday and the truly ancient mines for Lapiz still being mined today


33 posted on 08/12/2018 6:03:07 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12) Sanctuary is Sedition)
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To: SunkenCiv

Weren’t the Athenian rowers part of a collegium\guild or whatever the Greek equivalent was?


34 posted on 08/12/2018 7:24:52 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily
I don't blame Alcibiades -- he knew what Athenian creeps had done to Themistocles and Socrates and so many others, and got out of town before the same was done to him.

35 posted on 08/12/2018 10:48:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: bert

Thanks bert, will have a look in a bit.


36 posted on 08/12/2018 10:51:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Reily

Cybernetics — Rowing In The Athenian Navy
November 27, 2000
Rob Colburn
http://www.row2k.com/features/32/Cybernetics-—Rowing-In-The-Athenian-Navy/


37 posted on 08/12/2018 11:12:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: SunkenCiv

Yes, no much for the glorious Athenian democracy! No wonder the Founding Fathers was so suspicious of democracy.


38 posted on 08/12/2018 11:14:55 AM PDT by Reily
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To: SunkenCiv

30 years ago or so Avalon Hill had a bookcase game out on tactical classical naval warfare called Trireme. I played it once or twice it really did give you a sense of the tactics.

It seems to me that the use of enslaved rowers for naval combat is much more the stuff of Hollywood then was actually done. The only ones that I think I know for sure that did it were the Romans, Imperial Spanish, (Not sure about the other Mediterranean powers - Venice, Genoa, etc.!) & the Ottomans. I am not convinced the Romans did it as much as its commonly portrayed.


39 posted on 08/12/2018 11:26:43 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily
Our Founders weren't. There were monarchists among the Framers, pretending they supported democracy, but they didn't prevail. The Athenians were in the same boat -- they had that ridiculous ostracism practice, which was a method by which, in a classical version of socialism, no one could distinguish themselves, provided enough phony ballots could be stuffed. A cache of pre-inscribed "ballots", ostraca with Themistocles' name, was found in modern times, dumped in an ancient drain or something. The practice was to stand at the area where people were to enter the meeting area (since it was done village-style, citizens in attendance were able to vote) and hand them out. Those who couldn't read were told it was whomever they asked for.

40 posted on 08/12/2018 11:28:21 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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