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To: Moonman62

>>There is the observation of decoded genomes.

Observation of theoretical knowledge that is assumed to be true is not observational science.

What it is though, is the circular logic where one theory is presented as fact to prove another and then the second is used as proof for the first. This is “Settled Science” or “Consensus Science”. See Climate Change for more on that form of dishonesty.


31 posted on 07/14/2018 11:20:46 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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To: Bryanw92

Your opinion is more about epistemology than science. Why is it more credible than a published scientific paper?


34 posted on 07/14/2018 12:26:51 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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To: Bryanw92; Moonman62
Bryanw92: "Observation of theoretical knowledge that is assumed to be true is not observational science.
What it is though, is the circular logic where one theory is presented as fact to prove another and then the second is used as proof for the first."

There's nothing "circular" or even "theoretical" about DNA testing & profiling -- it's used in law to establish paternity, prove innocence of crimes or association, etc.
But DNA analysis comparing various species to each other is based on theoretical assumptions of evolution, that for example, the better the match-ups of alleles, the more closely related are the species.
A recent surprising example was learning that Neanderthals, far from being a distantly related genus (like Indian & African elephants) were instead our own more closely related "kissing cousins".

Bryanw92: "This is 'Settled Science' or 'Consensus Science'. "

Strictly defined no science is ever 100% "settled" since every observation and theory can be overturned by better observations and better explanations.
Only in politics does science become a club to be used by one partisan side against any others.
Scientists themselves are never (or at least should never be) confused about the distinctions between actual observations (aka "facts"), hypothetical explanations (falsifiable but not confirmed) and seriously confirmed theories.
For examples:

Bryanw92: "See Climate Change for more on that form of dishonesty."

"Anthropogenic climate change" is just one example of science corrupted by politics, there are others, all unfortunate.
Evolution theory is not one of them.


51 posted on 07/15/2018 10:31:50 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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