Posted on 06/18/2018 1:37:26 PM PDT by BBell
Settle Science takes it in the shorts once again
Dang, and they had ‘consensus’ too!............
PinGGG!....................
Intersting.
So, where are the turquois mines in Mesoamerica?
I smile when scientific facts are smacked down.
Considering the volcanic activity common to mesoamerica and the dinosaur killer crater on the eastern coast of the area; the origin there makes a lot of sense.
Pretty easy to lose a mineral mine in the jungles of Central America.
They’re still finding entire cities there.
It’s amazing what is being found by amateur sleuths using google earth.
I used to find turquoise in the hills above Fort Huachuca and made jewelry from it.
Scientific facts were not smacked down.
On the contrary, it was archeological speculation that was refuted.
the fact there were some mesoAmerican turquoise does not mean that there was not turquoise imported from the north
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A fine turquoise specimen from Los Cerrillos, New Mexico, US, at the Smithsonian Museum. Cerrillos turquoise was widely used by Native Americans prior to the Spanish conquest.
Bisbee turquoise commonly has a hard chocolate brown coloured matrix.
Untreated turquoise, Nevada, US. Rough nuggets from the McGinness Mine, Austin. Blue and green cabochons showing spiderweb, Bunker Hill Mine, Royston
The Southwest United States is a significant source of turquoise; Arizona, California (San Bernardino, Imperial, Inyo counties), Colorado (Conejos, El Paso, Lake, Saguache counties), New Mexico (Eddy, Grant, Otero, Santa Fe counties) and Nevada (Clark, Elko, Esmeralda County, Eureka, Lander, Mineral County and Nye counties) are (or were) especially rich. The deposits of California and New Mexico were mined by pre-Columbian Native Americans using stone tools, some local and some from as far away as central Mexico. Cerrillos, New Mexico is thought to be the location of the oldest mines; prior to the 1920s, the state was the country’s largest producer; it is more or less exhausted today. Only one mine in California, located at Apache Canyon, operates at a commercial capacity today.
The turquoise occurs as vein or seam fillings, and as compact nuggets; these are mostly small in size. While quite fine material is sometimes found, rivalling Iranian material in both colour and durability, most American turquoise is of a low grade (called “chalk turquoise”); high iron levels mean greens and yellows predominate, and a typically friable consistency in the turquoise’s untreated state precludes use in jewellery.
Arizona is currently the most important producer of turquoise by value.[5] Several mines exist in the state, two of them famous for their unique colour and quality and considered the best in the industry: the Sleeping Beauty Mine in Globe ceased turquoise mining in August 2012. The mine chose to send all ore to the crusher and to concentrate on copper production due to the rising price of copper on the world market. The price of natural untreated Sleeping Beauty turquoise has risen dramatically since the mine’s closing. The Kingman Mine as of 2015 still operates alongside a copper mine outside of the city. Other mines include the Blue Bird mine, Castle Dome, and Ithaca Peak, but they are mostly inactive due to the high cost of operations and federal regulations The Phelps Dodge Lavender Pit mine at Bisbee ceased operations in 1974 and never had a turquoise contractor. All Bisbee turquoise was “lunch pail” mined. It came out of the copper ore mine in miners’ lunch pails. Morenci and Turquoise Peak are either inactive or depleted.
Nevada is the country’s other major producer, with more than 120 mines which have yielded significant quantities of turquoise. Unlike elsewhere in the US, most Nevada mines have been worked primarily for their gem turquoise and very little has been recovered as a byproduct of other mining operations. Nevada turquoise is found as nuggets, fracture fillings and in breccias as the cement filling interstices between fragments. Because of the geology of the Nevada deposits, a majority of the material produced is hard and dense, being of sufficient quality that no treatment or enhancement is required. While nearly every county in the state has yielded some turquoise, the chief producers are in Lander and Esmeralda counties. Most of the turquoise deposits in Nevada occur along a wide belt of tectonic activity that coincides with the state’s zone of thrust faulting. It strikes about N15°E and extends from the northern part of Elko County, southward down to the California border southwest of Tonopah. Nevada has produced a wide diversity of colours and mixes of different matrix patterns, with turquoise from Nevada coming in various shades of blue, blue-green, and green. Some of this unusually coloured turquoise may contain significant zinc and iron, which is the cause of the beautiful bright green to yellow-green shades. Some of the green to green yellow shades may actually be variscite or faustite, which are secondary phosphate minerals similar in appearance to turquoise. A significant portion of the Nevada material is also noted for its often attractive brown or black limonite veining, producing what is called “spiderweb matrix”. While a number of the Nevada deposits were first worked by Native Americans, the total Nevada turquoise production since the 1870s has been estimated at more than 600 tons, including nearly 400 tons from the Carico Lake mine. In spite of increased costs, small scale mining operations continue at a number of turquoise properties in Nevada, including the Godber, Orvil Jack and Carico Lake mines in Lander County, the Pilot Mountain Mine in Mineral County, and several properties in the Royston and Candelaria areas of Esmerelda County.[7]
There's no such thing as "settled science" -- just "scientists" who think so. This discovery is exactly the way real science works. Any hypothesis can be disproven when contrary evidence is discovered.
I know. Settled Science is just me engaging in mockery.
Turquoise is usually found in conjunction with copper ore. If there are copper deposits in Mexico or Central America it would not be surprising to find turquoise there.
The question is where are they? If any of note.
There probably are copper deposits in Mexico.
The Aztecs had quite a few copper axes, as documented in the Discovery and Conquest of Mexico.
What were you taught? I was taught to examine the evidence and follow where it leads.
YES!!!
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