Posted on 06/06/2018 10:13:01 PM PDT by Norski
Disservice, schmisservice.
Information regarding fatality rates for various dog breeds—and it's generally consistent—is widely disseminated, and trivially easily to locate for anyone who knows how to use a search engine.
The salient point is that if you have a Doberman Pinscher as a pet, it is more likely to kill someone than if you have a Pit Bull. The only reason Pit Bulls kill more people than Doberman Pinschers is because there are so many more Pits than Dobermans—but it is Dobermans who are more dangerous as a breed. Pit Bulls are categorically not the most dangerous dog breed as far as fatality rates—not even close.
A bull mastiff is not a pit bull.
exactly
In 2016, according to: http://www.animals24-7.org/2016/07/29/2016-survey-list-of-top-5-u-s-dog-breed-types-ousts-pit-bulls/
In 2016, he Doberman breed amounted to about 1.9% of the dog population of the US. There is little change year over year, it tends to be slow. In order for Dobermans to have a higher “kill rate” than the pit bull types that comprise about 5% of the dog population but cause at least 50% of the deaths by dog attack (at a conservative rate) (i.e., 10x population percentage) of all dog attack deaths in the United States, (i.e., 39 deaths by pit bull mauling in the last year) Dobermans would have to have caused at least 15 deaths by mauling and attack in 2017.
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Which they did not. Your figures are incorrect.
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Dang, this story is horrible and from 2002.
Dog attack girl ‘almost died’
Tuesday, 21 May, 2002, 13:32 GMT 14:32 UK
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2000178.stm
2017 dog bite fatality statistics
(Browse to below the statistics to read the victims’ stories - brings it into perspective)
https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2017.php
Your graphic comes from http://www.pitbullinfo.org, hardly an unbiased source.
The salient point is that you are making statements and refusing to support your statements with facts or a source of information or reference.
This is the third time you have been requested to post your sources. Never mind how “trivially easily” we can all find the information to which you refer. Please now post the data, so we can all reach the same conclusions you have made and from the same data you are to reach these conclusions.
I am sure that you would not want to be thought less than accurate. Thank in advance for posting your information sources.
No right to self defense in the U.K.
Yes, I am sadly familiar with the website.
As are many persons becoming so, unfortunately after they, or a loved one or friend have been attacked or mauled.
The website to which you refer, www.dogsbite.org, is an enormous clearinghouse of information on the very large and escalating problem of dogs which are and have been bred for dogfighting, an illegal activity, being pushed onto the public and into their homes as pets, especially during the last 30 years.
The resulting carnage is very bad. Please do read the information. It will take you a long time. I can only read victims’ stories one at a time. They begin to overwhelm one very quickly.
“Onlookers watched in horror ...”
Sure , that’s all you can do without risking getting arrested for violating some filthy British law.
In any event, one school of thought, as noted in the article The Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics Behind Dog Bites holds that the statistical data for dog bites by breed is not reliable.
From the same article, the writer notes:
If we applied this logic elsewhere, the argument would sound something like this (bold emphasis added):So major insurance companies like State Farm—whose profitability hinges on compiling accurate statistics in order to assess the risks related to things such as fatal dog attacks and dog bites in general—do not discriminate against the Pit Bull breed (or any other) based on their own extensive data.“Domestic, U.S. made vehicles are unsafe for the public and should be banned because there are more Dodge, Jeep, Ford, Chevy, and Lincoln crashes each year in the U.S. than Honda crashes.”—Said by nobody, ever.
Which is why State Farm Insurance, the largest insurance company who collects more data than the U.S. Government and makes policy decisions simply based on risks and underwriting, does not discriminate against this loosely defined group of breeds.
“Decisions are made on a case by case basis for those instances,” State Farm spokeswoman Heather Paul told HuffPost. “Pit bulls in particular are often misidentified when a bite incident occurs, so reliable bite statistics related to the dogs’ breed are unreliable and serve no purpose.”
Thus, forming one's impression of Pit Bulls as a "deadly breed" perhaps shouldn't be based on selective (and often inaccurate) anecdotal evidence from the Fake News Media—who have a much different agenda than the insurance companies.
The fact that insurance companies like State Farm—industry leaders whose business model depends on being well-informed regarding risk—don't set their rates based on a dog's breed speaks volumes...
Years ago we had two Rottweiler/Catahoula Leopard cross dogs that were bred to hunt wild boar and bear. We trained them extensively and kept them as pets and guard dogs. We live on a farm WAY out in the country. If these dogs hadn’t been well trained they could have done serious damage. The small one was over 120 pounds. We got both when they were 6-weeks old. They wouldn’t let anybody but us touch them and had to be muzzled to go to the Vet.
Guess what? Neither of these dogs ever bit anybody. They were so highly trained that if a person approached me they would sit at my feet and growl until the stranger stopped. If the stranger started coming toward me both would stand up and show teeth and raise hackles BUT, neither did anything more if I told them to stay. Since we were on a farm they ran loose but never left the property.
We thought we might have a problem when my granddaughter was born but both dogs fell in love with her and would have died to protect her. Still, she was NEVER left alone around either of them. Even as highly trained as they were no child should be left with a large dog due to the size difference.
The big one had to be put down because of bone cancer but the smaller one lived to be 16.
To me the difference is training, training, training, and lots of love.
A scary majority of people owning Pit Bulls and dogs like them are the wrong people that have bad intentions. The dogs are encouraged to be mean. They are never taught the difference between protecting and ravaging.
I have never owned a Pit but I have been around several that seemed to be big cuddle bugs. IMO, any dog over 50 pounds can be weaponized by mean indifferent people with bad intentions.
As a Vet tech many years ago I was around all kinds. I saw good friendly Pits and others that were not. All of them that were not were owned by chain wearing, gold tooth, types if you know what I mean. Several of the dogs were mistreated in my presence. Put a badly bred dog into the hands of a stupid mean gang banger type and you have a tragedy waiting to happen.
THE PIT BULL LOBBY
Excerpt from Pit Bulls – Five Part Series , La Presse, Montreal
Investigative report on the Montreal pit bull ban and the influence of the pit bull lobby
By Marie-Claude Malboeuf, August 13, 2017
English translation: plus.lapresse.ca
French: Qui Veut Sauver Les Pitbulls
Also see: http://blog.dogsbite.org/2016/10/montreal-pit-bull-ban-veterinary-report-pit-bull-lobby.html
WHO IS PULLING THE STRINGS? The US pet industry is worth 16 billion dollars. Without pit bulls to sell, to rescue, to rehabilitate, to care for and to feed, a lot of people would see their revenues plunge, denounced Jeffrey Borchardt, who lost his baby when he was torn from the arms of his babysitter by two pit bulls. Since this tragedy, the American DJ and other victims have worked to expose the gears of the powerful pit bull promotion lobby. Who pulls the strings? Portrait of a tightly woven network.
https://www.nationalpitbullvictimawareness.org/pit-bull-lobby/
Level 3: Publication
JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN VETERINARY MEDICAL ASSOCIATION (JAVMA)
The American Veterinary Medical Association publishes NCRC studies in its journal. On its own website it proposes sample letters [for readers to write] contesting any law aimed at pit bulls. Moreover, its site has a link to AFF. The Association added the following introduction to a famous 2000 study: “In contrast to what has been reported in the news media, the data contained within this report CANNOT be used to infer any breed-specific risk for dog bite fatalities. [To reach that conclusion] it would be necessary to know the numbers of each breed currently residing in the United States. Such information is not available.” Even if they are opposed to a breed ban, for practical reasons amongst others, the authors of the study—seasoned in the ministry for Health and government institutions—nevertheless concluded: “In spite of potential bias and the lack of data on the canine population, pit bulls seem to be implicated in 42% of fatal tragedies. We do not believe that in the United States, the proportion of pit bulls amongst the dog population even comes near to approaching 42%. We therefore believe that the disproportion of deaths associated with pit bulls is real and escalating.”
You didn’t include how many victums were innocent victums or how many victums were burglars, threatening or attacking their owners, police dogs attacking suspects, people mistreating dogs, etc. how about just innocent victums per 100,000 dog breeds.
” The fact that insurance companies like State Farm—industry leaders whose business model depends on being well-informed regarding risk—don’t set their rates based on a dog’s breed speaks volumes...”
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Yes, but it does not say what you say it says.
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Insuring pit bulls, State Farm pays out double the norm for dog attacks
April 8, 2018 by Merritt Clifton
Policies on other breeds subsidize pit bull owners
BLOOMINGTON, Illinois––State Farm, both the leading U.S. property-and-casualty insurance company and among the few that cover pit bulls, paid out a record $132 million in 2017 to settle dog attack claims.
State Farm released this information in a prepared statement recognizing Dog Bite Prevention Week 2018, April 8-14.
The State Farm payout appears to have been nearly twice as much as if State Farm used breed-specific actuarial data on dog attack injuries to exclude covering pit bulls and Rottweilers.
“Premiums paid to State Farm by owners of other breeds accordingly subsidize owners of the most dangerous breeds.”
(Excerpted. There is much more.)
I had posted that graphic in the past. Regardless, the peer reviewed study itself was done by the AVMA—linked to in one of my previous posts above—which has no affiliation with PitBullInfo.org.
Furthermore, the AVMA is a widely respected organization which apparently doesn't have any axe to grind with Pit Bulls (or any other dog breed). The same can't be said for the Fake News Media, which frequently tries to sensationalize their stories in order to manipulate people emotionally.
As I mentioned, the fact that industry leaders like State Farm Insurance don't discriminate by dog breed when setting rates for dog attacks speaks volumes...
Find each and every person who was at any time responsible for those dogs and publicly mutilate them. That will solve the problem. You will only have to do this occasionally. This is the way it has always been done. We are in a rare moment of history where intent and results, rather than just results, are the basis for punishment. Oh, and don’t be a martyr — do it anonymously.
I reiterate:
“Premiums paid to State Farm by owners of other breeds accordingly subsidize owners of the most dangerous breeds.”
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You are correct in that State Farm will insure pit bulls and the liability thereof on homeowner’s insurance. Aside from an insurance company named something like “Dangerous Dog Insurance”, they are the ONLY large and well-known insurance company that will. Most others specifically exclude pit bulls and a couple of other breeds, and keeping these breeds can potentially void your insurance.
State Farm insures every breed of dog, but the non-dangerous-dog customers are subsidizing the rates for dangerous dog owners.
Interesting.
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