Posted on 05/28/2018 11:41:56 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
Roman soldiers were present in the area of Kujawy 2 thousand years ago. This is evidenced by discovered fragments of equestrian gear and legionnaire outfits. Many of them were discovered for the first time outside the borders of the Roman Empire, says Dr. Bartosz Kontny. "Among the many donated metal objects there were also numerous fittings made of copper alloy, which turned out to be decorations for equestrian gear and Roman legionaries` clothing, many of them unique in this part of Europe" -- says Dr. Bartosz Kontny from the Institute of Archaeology, University of Warsaw, who identified the objects... "This is the first strong evidence of the actual presence of Roman soldiers in the territory of today`s Poland" -- Kontny believes... As a truly unique object among the analysed artefacts, the archaeologist mentions a gold-plated copper application for a hip belt. It depicts a spear of a beneficiarius, a high-ranking officer of the Roman army. "It was an attribute of his power" -- says the archaeologist. Such a large accumulation of similar Roman objects in other places in the barbarian Europe -- for example in central Germany (where, for example, the local population was recruited to the legions) is clearly associated with physical Roman presence... According to the archaeologist, the Romans could be present in the area of today`s Kujawy for several reasons depending on the period, because the objects attesting to their presence are from 2 to 1.6 thousand years old.
(Excerpt) Read more at scienceinpoland.pap.pl ...
Solidi found at Gaski, or Wierzbiczany, Inowroctaw District, 5th c.; (unpublished; phot. by M. Rudnicki).
Very Interesting. Thanks for posting.
Oh. My. Stars!
What a find!
Thanks, SC!
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The Germans annihilated three Roman legions in southern Germany early in the first century. More likely that the artifacts found was booty traded by the Germans to people living in the area where they were found. There is no record of Romans reaching that area with military force. However Romanized Germans may have traded with the locals.
“Solidi found at Gaski”
These are late Roman, post-Constantine (note the cross on the coin on the right).
Just as likely the possessions of a retired German auxiliary of the Roman army. Quite early in Imperial times the majority of soldiers on the frontiers were non-Roman auxiliaries.
thanx as always
No, actually, your interpretation is just flat-out wrong. The fact is, the Romans returned to the area east of the Rhine, hunted down Arminius, and he pissed his drawers as he dropped his weapons and ran back into the barbarian wilds. With a few years, his relatives sold his head to the Romans. In recent years a rescue dig in Copenhagen, Denmark turned up, not a medieval or dark ages cemetery, but a Roman one. Roman finds continually turn up farther east, this being the most recent such finding.
My pleasure.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3658793/posts?page=10#10
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1909864/posts
Velleius Paterculus, a contemporary Roman historian, explained Varus' mistake: he thought that because the Germans had human shape and human voices, that they were human.
A little bitter, it appears.
Was the 9th legion among them?
Its amazing how far the reach of the Roman Empire extended. There are stories of Chinese armies using Roman formations (having been trained by captured Roman soldiers).
That is also what I was thinking. The presence of Roman military artifacts does not necessarily mean there were Roman military personnel.
It is. There’s an old rumor, and it’s in China rather than in Europe. Trade links (by land and sea) existed among the Han dynasty of China, the Roman Empire, the Mauryan empire of India, and the intervening territories. Long before the 15th c and Zheng He, the Chinese sent a trade mission and ambassador to made contact with the Romans. Their expedition arrived in the Persian Gulf shortly after Trajan’s new province of Mesopotamia had been unceremoniously dumped by his successor, the homosexual pedophile Hadrian. Somewhat later Han court records refer to the arrival of a Roman ambassador (likely a seagoing trade expedition) from Marcus Aurelius.
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/liquan/index
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/romansinchina/index?tab=articles
http://www.google.com/search?q=the+jews+of+kaifeng+site:freerepublic.com
The lost legion...
Or just a guy who went awol
No. Varus forces consisted of Legion XVII, XVIII, and XIX
plus 6 cohorts of auxiliary troops and three squadrons of cavalry.
Marking for later.
Thanks for the info! This will make fascinating reading for me.
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