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To: EMI_Guy

What is the deal with Rand Paul?

So often he seems very sensible. He has always (pre-Q) struck me as sincere whether I agreed with him or not. In the Q era, I suspect everyone!

Do people think he is just stupid on some issues? A white hat? A black hat? Or what?


469 posted on 05/16/2018 5:41:47 AM PDT by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: generally

Brennan endorses Haspel’s nomination - that scares me.


479 posted on 05/16/2018 5:54:43 AM PDT by STJPII
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I think there was a comment in the post about Paul that pretty much nails it: he pontificates initially opposite of what he’s eventually going to do.

I don’t know...face time...hey, look at me...don’t label me...I’m not on auto-pilot for Trump, etc.

He’s irritating I know, cuz I agree with a lot of what he says.

He’ll come around to Haspel in the end. Manchin voting FOR. Gotta cement the WVA coal vote for November doncha know. Now THAT guy IS irritating.

I hear good things about coal in WVA...and in SE Ohio. My nephew is a tech for Ohio CAT. He’s seeing more and more coal related equipment work lately.


484 posted on 05/16/2018 5:59:53 AM PDT by EMI_Guy ("You have to slow down to go fast." - Kenny Roberts)
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To: generally

He makes people stop and actually think about what the issues are really about. It doesn't matter what HE thinks..he's trying to MAKE you think about the issues. Not to follow the CROWD but actually MAKE the final decision on YOUR OWN.

I'm not defending him..I'm defending his principles and its the only way apparently for him to make people read and study the issues before voting.

My take..Its NOT about him.


517 posted on 05/16/2018 7:14:38 AM PDT by STARLIT (I've always won, and I'm going to continue to win. And that's the way it is. -DJTrump)
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To: generally
What is the deal with Rand Paul?

Do people think he is just stupid on some issues? A white hat? A black hat? Or what?

He's very different from most people in Senate. The GOP, especially in the Senate is full of cuckservatives, as we all know. What does that mean exactly?

It means that in order to get there, for the most part, they were vetted by the GOP elite and found to have "sound Conservative views". Those would include things like supporting Free Trade, supporting a powerful military, supporting lots of immigration, not wanting to fight on culture-war issues like gay marriage or abortion.

This is why they are made fun of as cucks and "Conservatism, Inc.".

The purity of the Party and not allowing it to be harmed by having an openly racialist candidate in it is also paramount. This leads to GOPe being very susceptible to having the "racism" word used against them as. It's sort of a kryptonite that kills conservatism.

Rand Paul doesn't hold most of these beliefs, didn't come up through "normal" channels, and never agreed to most of the vetting conventions of the GOP establishment.

Rand was raised by Ron Paul, who is more of a libertarian with paleo-conservative tendencies than a GOP Establishtment type.

Remember one of Ron's big issues was auditing the Federal Reserve. He bought into the very old-school Conservative theory that the Central Bank was a terrible thing. Think about that - he was actively fighting to repeal a 100 year old institution that is central to our entire political and economic order. He was laughed at by the establo-cucks for this position: he was a crank, he was a conspiracy theorist, he was an anti-Semite.

A few results of this. He probably has a lot of ideas that are quite divergent from the main-stream Conservatism, but he also learned from watching his Dad that you need to pick your battles and not reveal everything you think.

There is an interesting video out there of one of his first long interview when he was running for Senate, with Rachel Maddow. She starts asking him about the Civil Rights laws of 1965. His response is from a libertarian perspective: that parts of the law that prevent the government from doing bad things to some races were good and needed, the parts that forbid private property owners from serving who they want to may have gone to far, and violate our freedom of association.

This same view was argued by Barry Goldwater in his book Conscience of a Conservative, but that was 40 years ago. Maddow pounced and framed this as "so you think it's OK for racist white restaurant owners to not serve blacks?".

Eventually Rand had to walk this back, but it shows what's going on with him. In his heart, I am sure he still believes what he said originally.

He has a political philosophy, which he learned at his Dad's knee, and it has nothing to do with what Mitch McConnell would say. Does Mitch have a political philosophy? Could he articulate it?

I don't think Rand is "stupid" on some issues. I think he could do a great job of explaining why he feels the way he does over beers at the nearby steakhouse, but he's grown wise enough not to air a lot of his beliefs on TV.

But he still votes his conscience, and because his beliefs are so different his votes don't always line up with the rest of the party.

One area you see this in a lot is defense. Ron Paul was the leading non-interventionist of his generation in Congress. He voted against Iraq, he voted to cut defense spending, he always argued we should bring American troops home from foreign hotspots and stop policing the world.

Again, this is anathema to Buckleyites, who cut their chops being the hawkiest of hawks in the Cold War. And it was a terrible heresy to the NeoCons who were the driving force behind the Bush foreign policy and the wars it entailed.

Rand's part of an older Conservative tradition (some would say an ignoble one) of wanting almost no foreign intervention. I'm sure he can tell you who the Conservatives were who opposed US Entry into WW1, and Ron Paul is a direct philosophical discendent of those who opposed US Entry into WW2.

That's the deal with Rand Paul, in my opinion.

554 posted on 05/16/2018 8:08:02 AM PDT by Jack Black
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I vote mistaken on some issues - he’s not stupid. LOL


926 posted on 05/16/2018 1:46:13 PM PDT by greeneyes
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