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Christians Must 'Unhitch' Old Testament From Their Faith, Says Andy Stanley
Christian Post ^ | 5/9/18 | Michael Grybroski

Posted on 05/14/2018 1:24:16 PM PDT by jeannineinsd

North Point Community Church Senior Pastor Andy Stanley has stated that Christians need to "unhitch" the Old Testament from their faith.

In the final part of a recent sermon series, Stanley explained that while he believes that the Old Testament is "divinely inspired," it should not be "the go-to source regarding any behavior in the church."

To justify this, Stanley preached last month about Acts 15, which described how the early church decided that Gentile converts did not need to strictly observe Jewish law to become Christians.

"[First century] Church leaders unhitched the church from the worldview, value system, and regulations of the Jewish scriptures," said Stanley.

"Peter, James, Paul elected to unhitch the Christian faith from their Jewish scriptures, and my friends, we must as well."

Stanley argued that it had to be done for the same reason the church in Acts 15 did so, which was so that "we must not make it difficult for those Gentiles who are turning to God." For Stanley, the difficulty lay with the Old Testament and his concern that many Christians are turning away from the faith because of certain passages in the Hebrew Bible.

Stanley argued that the early church showed that there was a need to move past the Old Testament for the sake of gentile believers and that the resurrection of Jesus was enough.

"Jesus' new covenant, His covenant with the nations, His covenant with you, His covenant with us, can stand on its own two nail-scarred resurrection feet. It does not need propping up by the Jewish scriptures," noted Stanley.

"The Bible did not create Christianity. The resurrection of Jesus created and launched Christianity. Your whole house of Old Testament cards can come tumbling down. The question is did Jesus rise from the dead? And the eyewitnesses said he did."

Stanley acknowledged that his comments may be considered "a little disturbing" to some, but then added that for many it is "liberating."

"It's liberating for men and women who are drawn to the simple message that God loves you so much He sent His Son to pave the way to a relationship with you," Stanley said. "It's liberating for people who need and understand grace, who need and understand forgiveness. And it's liberating for people who find it virtually impossible to embrace the dynamic, the worldview, and the values system depicted in the story of Ancient Israel."

While noting that he believed the church needed to unhitch itself from the Old Testament, Stanley still regarded the Jewish scriptures as having importance, saying they were "a means to an extraordinary end."

"The Jewish scriptures are the backstory for the main story," Stanley explained. "They're an important backstory. They're divinely inspired. They are God on the move through ancient, ancient times."

"It's the fabulous story of God the Founder playing by the rules of the kingdoms of this world, to establish a kingdom not of this world. To send a king who would be like no other king. A king who lay down His life for His subjects. A king who would introduce the entire world to God the Father."

Stanley's sermon was the third part of a series titled "Aftermath," in which the pastor was trying to appeal to individuals who left Christianity over what they were taught the Bible said about certain things.

"If you were raised on a version of Christianity that relied on the Bible as the foundation of faith, a version that was eventually dismantled by academia or the realities of life, maybe it's time for you to change your mind about Jesus," stated North Point Community Church.

"Maybe it's time for you to consider the version of Christianity that relies on the event of the resurrection of Jesus as its foundation. If you gave up your faith because of something about or in the Bible, maybe you gave up unnecessarily."

Days before giving the third Aftermath sermon, Stanley preached at the Orange Conference held in Atlanta, Georgia, using Acts 15, as well as John 17, to argue that church unity was more important than "theological correctness."

"[Jesus] prayed for our oneness, that we'd be on the same page," said Stanley at the conference last month. "This is mission critical. If they are not one, we will not win ... unity is mission critical and disunity disrupts the mission."

"Will we prioritize our oneness over our politics? Will we continue to allow the kingdom of the world to divide the Kingdom of God that is in this world because of politics?"


TOPICS: Religion
KEYWORDS: andystanley; heresy; marcion; oldtestament
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To: Mr Rogers

Thank you for that link.


81 posted on 05/14/2018 7:34:18 PM PDT by jeannineinsd
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To: jeannineinsd
Andy is nothing like is dad, Charles Stanley.

I would not recommend people attend Andy's church nor listen to him on any matters pertaining to the Scriptures.

82 posted on 05/14/2018 7:42:08 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: jeannineinsd
I was taught the same as you. Living two years in Israel taught me that for the Jews, Jesus, is not fulfilment of the OT. So one might infer from a Jewish viewpoint that Jesus became a political-religious angry division where in effect Christians try to make God their own Jesus-deity whom without the "being saved" a Jew is excluded from their heaven. Jews do not seemingly depart to the Christian faith in a heaven but depart differently. Being saved is an exclusive matter that prevents Christians from understanding that God's people are the Jews and they are not damned simply because they reject the Christ. Rather then they find Jesus as the Christian finds the Jew unable to worship God without the priest or rabbi. And then there is that church in Rome and those protestants and those Johovas witnesses and a thousand varieties of following Jesus as God vs. Over a hundred different sects of the original Jewish faith.

The only truth lies in the fact that that the word of God applies to His people and not those who never worshipped Him. Marriage is a word given to God's people and not what man would make it, and so on with homosexuals (Rome always dancing with their Satan) is again is context to God's people and not what man would twist....

83 posted on 05/14/2018 11:27:02 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: FNU LNU

Acts 11
4 Starting from the beginning, Peter told them the whole story: 5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. 6 I looked into it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles and birds. 7 Then I heard a voice telling me, ‘Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.’

8 “I replied, ‘Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’

9 “The voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.’ 10 This happened three times, and then it was all pulled up to heaven again.


84 posted on 05/15/2018 4:31:00 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: AppyPappy

Good morning, Appy,

I may not be awake yet. How does this passage relate to your contention that no one could keep the OT flawlessly? We saw the passage in Dt. 30 where God told the Jews that it wasn’t too difficult for them. Yet none of them kept it flawlessly.


85 posted on 05/15/2018 5:30:02 AM PDT by FNU LNU (Nothing runs like a Deere, nothing smells like a john)
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To: jeannineinsd

Just another liberal treating church as a social club.


86 posted on 05/15/2018 5:54:07 AM PDT by CodeToad (The Democrats haven't been this pissed off since the Republicans took their slaves away.)
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To: jeannineinsd

Good, no more of those pesky 10 commandments. /sarcasm


87 posted on 05/15/2018 5:57:04 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: jeannineinsd

Get thee behind me, Bubba.


88 posted on 05/15/2018 6:46:16 AM PDT by gogeo
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89 posted on 05/15/2018 7:08:09 AM PDT by Gamecock (In church today, we so often find we meet only the same old world, not Christ and His Kingdom. AS)
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To: MayflowerMadam

Isn’t it strange how over 2,000 years can pass with millions and millions of devoted Christians of all faiths and this guy, THIS ONE GUY, has now got it figured out where the Apostles of Christ and all the formative churches got Christianity wrong.


90 posted on 05/15/2018 2:09:51 PM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: KC Burke

Really. This one VERY SPECIAL and tuned-in guy. I have to believe he has mental problems.


91 posted on 05/15/2018 2:19:13 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Have an A-1 day.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
This is all about normalizing homosexuality.

Would not be surprised.

92 posted on 05/15/2018 6:57:28 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: georgiegirl
John 5:39- You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me..

I've just past Hebrews 11 in my NT reading. The writer of Hebrews ties the OT examples of faith, with us. "And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised, since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect."

And it's interesting also, to note how many times a NT writer will try to make a point by going through a long historical overview of OT history. Stephen. Paul (IIRC). And the two geneologies of Jesus. Others maybe, that I can't think of right now.

93 posted on 05/15/2018 7:04:11 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: Lee N. Field

The only scriptures the believers in Jesus had at the time were the Old Testament. The Jewish believers especially would have known all the references to Messiah in the OT. I think of Phillip running alongside the eunich’s chariot, helping him to understand the “gospel” in Isaiah.


94 posted on 05/15/2018 9:25:18 PM PDT by georgiegirl (Count me Deplorable)
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