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To: MHGinTN; JockoManning; blu; grey_whiskers; smoky415; Mytruevine; Aquamarine; Cboldt; mairdie; ...
Nice try, probably took a table full of CIA liars to fabricate it ... there was NO SPERHEATED AIR IN THE COLLAPSE. The smoke had turned dark before the towers collapsed. And if the floors had pancaked THAT WOULD HAVE GENERATED A SUPER HEATED DUST CLOUD ... but there was no such cloud, as evidenced by persons who were 'ejected' away from the site or walked out of the dust cloud with their clothes covered in dust but not in the least singed.

Sorry, that one won't fly. Try something else.

Now you've taken to calling me a CIA liar? That's reprehensible, MHGinTN.

Do you know any physics at all? I didn't think so.

Lord save me from people with little knowledge.

What in hell has the color of the smoke got to do with it? No pope elected yet?

Let me ask you a question. How does a Diesel engine work? What causes the fuel to ignite? No spark plugs.

COMPRESSION OF THE AIR/FUEL MIXTURE, MHGinTN. When you push the piston down It gets HOT! That's part of Boyle's Law of gases. Compress a gas, it gets hotter, allow it to expand, it cools down. Heat is nothing more than molecules bumping into each other. . . push them closer together, they bump more often. It's hotter!

Take the 600,000 cubic feet of air of just one floor and in just a fraction of a second squeeze it down and try to fit it into a one inch or LESS deep space X 40,000 square feet... it is GOING TO GET VERY HOT and it's going to try to find a way OUT at a very high velocity, likely faster than the speed of sound—you ever hear a bull whip crack? That's the sound barrier being broken!

Remember that woman on the plane that had the engine shatter and break her porthole right next to her? The compression of just a few pounds difference carried her half out the broken window.

When that compressed air does find away out, it will be carrying pulverized desks, walls, paper, computers, glass, concrete, wood, people, art objects, money, phones, carpet, paint, clothes, everything with it in whatever direction it can find.

It's a fluid. . . A VERY HOT FLUID GAS, HOTTER than you can imagine.

It's now a PLASMA, stripped of all it's electrons.

We can calculate the temperature using Boyles Law. . . Any decent Heating and Air Conditioning guy can probably do it.

Take the starting room temperature 73º F, the volume of the room 600,000 cubic feet, assume its same as the volume of the air in the room, beginning pressure is 15 LBs per square inch, use near 3000 cubic feet (less than 1" X 40,000 square feet) as the final volume of the room's atmosphere, and time as close to one second and final pressure (180 times 15 Lbs) greater than it was before of ~2,700 lbs per square inch (did I mention that most flooring concrete unless it's poured for a special purpose, is ~2,000 pound per square inch resistant concrete? But that's at room temperature.). . . Assume that air does't get to go anywhere for our purposes. . .closed system. It just stays compressed. Calculate for ending temperature after the compression.

Remember my question about that Diesel engine? A Diesel engine uses a 15 to 20 to one compression ratio to achieve ignition. This air we just looked at in our WTC Tower floor had a 180 to one compression ratio.

But YOU, WE, can't see what's happening, because it's hidden behind all the clouds of dust pulverized from the floors that have already been ejected above. A lot of the light is in ultraviolet and infrared. . . because it is a plasma. Have you ever seen a plasma torch? This is mostly Nitrogen and Oxygen but there are other elemental plasmas. Plasma can destroy concrete, easily. . . especially at 2700 lbs per square inch.

That's some hydraulic compression resistance, but it has a way out . . . and in. In to the central core. . . and, as I stated, most likely at hypersonic velocities. Do you know what such sounds do to concrete? By the way, it's carrying a lot of abrasive stuff with it. Did you know that at those hypersonic velocities, water will cut through an inch thick plate steel better and more accurately than an oxyacetylene torch?

That core was not designed to withstand what it was experiencing.

By the way, remember that plasma is a hot gas stripped of its electrons. There was lightning in the clouds of smoke and dust surrounding both towers. . . the source most likely was from the electrons from the plasma.

Now to address your no heat of the pyroclastic cloud. That cloud was composed of microscopic particle. Each of them may have started out hot, but they give up their heat very rapidly. They don't individually have much mass to carry heat. Just as one can walk on a bed of red-hot coals due to the fact that each of the red-hot coals your feet come in contact with has little mass and your feet have a great deal of mass, the coal's ability to burn just is not present. The heat is dissipated in the larger mass before it can damage it. The dust clouds were essentially ash. Ash has very little heat coefficient which requires mass. Similarly hot air rises. Which it did at the WTC, expending its energy in exchange for altitude.

The people we saw on news leaving the clouds of dust, started walking away blocks and blocks away from the blast centers having been moved back from the WTC before they fell, to make room for emergency personnel. They would not have been singed. They were not close to the heat and what particles they encountered were too far from the center. . . and the particles were cooled by the time the reached the ground. The WTC collapse was no Mt. St. Helens.

This is just basic science. No conspiracy theories needed. Nice try.

Incidentally, if the 104 floors did not "pancake," MHGinTN, what DID THEY DO? Fly off into the sky? This is the conundrum for those who claim something else was done. . . especially those who claim there isn't enough material in the crater to account for the building, like Dr. Wood. What's the ad hoc explanation of the day?

2,025 posted on 05/06/2018 12:54:24 AM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: Swordmaker
You asserted: "Do you know any physics at all? I didn't think so."

How does making a fool of yourself help you, son?

2,027 posted on 05/06/2018 1:31:41 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Swordmaker

You asked, “What in hell has the color of the smoke got to do with it?” Son, you know that a fire is not as hot if it is oxygen starved, which is why it belches darker smoke. You really should stop before you remove all your covers.


2,028 posted on 05/06/2018 1:33:58 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Swordmaker
Sorry, stooge, I am not buying the pancake meme. I believe the building mass was dustified, for the most part, before it reached street level. Had the mass of two 500,000 tonne buildings crashed down inside the dyke system holding the Hudson River out of the complex, that dyke would have failed, floading the lower end of Manhattan Island via the tunnel system which ran under the site.

Your little education game might convince some that you are sincere, but it merely exposes your desperation to support your false, CIA generated explanation. Remember how CIA tried to convince us that what was seen by the witnesses in the 800 case was not what what they saw? IIRC, Louie Free debunked that crap stream.

As to your pyroclastic cloud, ask the folks who walked out of it or were propelled a block backwards by it if they were singed. LOL, you're so exposed now!

Amd lastly, son, your assertions by inference:

Incidentally, if the 104 floors did not "pancake," MHGinTN, what DID THEY DO? Fly off into the sky? [As a matter of video evidence, yes they did. The dust cloud rose nearly to the Jetstream, IIRC. Satellite imagery was interesting that day. And the lack of a seismic registry was also interesting. Want to 'educate us in your knowledge of seismic waves now?] This is the conundrum for those who claim something else was done. . . especially those who claim there isn't enough material in the crater to account for the building, like Dr. Wood. What's the ad hoc explanation of the day? [Crater? LOL, the debris didn't even make it down to the third level below street level under the towers! The lights remained on in the subway terminals![

Focus upon someone else to spittle your deceit, son, I'm bored with exposing you. Or, just enjoy your boasting, doesn't matter really. I doubt you're paid by the hour.

2,030 posted on 05/06/2018 1:53:28 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Swordmaker
Agree with most of this post but raising an eyebrow at the plasma; what is the expected final T of the air compressed between floors-- there'd be a gradient from upper to lower floors, given

a) the lesser weight on lower floors leading to slower compression

b) the atmospheric pressure gradient (admittedly slight) due to the higher altitude of the top floors...

Is there a T-P phase diagram for the conversion of elemental O2 and N2 to plasma -- counterexample might be closed-to-cloud lightning due to electrostatics prior to creation of plasma...recall e.g. the risk of cognition/explosion of grains dust due to surface area / static charges to initiate combustion.

2,051 posted on 05/06/2018 9:23:41 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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