Posted on 04/01/2018 9:30:09 AM PDT by Kaslin
It looks like God treated it with reverence, because the last time it was seen, it was in heaven.
Revelation 11:19
Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant could be seen in the temple.
The nails were driven through the wrist between the radius and ulna bones because that's the only way they'd support the weight of a human body. If the nails were driven through the hands then the hands would just tear away from them.
That is a good point. I don't recall seeing any artwork in which the wrist is depicted as the point of fixing the nails.
Sorry, not real and a serious mark of faithlessness to feel such an artifact is necessary.
Christ is Risen.
Don’t need a painted sheet to know that.
OK.
I don't know the details of the shroud and I really don't care. No doubt throughout his life thousands of scraps of cloth came in contact with Jesus so this is just one of them. But I like the point you made about God not wanting us to worship anything that is physical (yes, it's Biblical, from the Ten Commandments) but instead just worship the Word who became flesh.
Happy Resurrection Day, brother!
I have heard arguments pro and con about the authenticity of the Shroud. I’ve decided it has no impact whatsoever on my faith. If it’s a true image of the buried Christ, how awesome. If it isn’t, I don’t care. My faith is tied to a cross, not a cloth.
We will just have to agree to disagree. (won’t be the first time) But know that I respect you very much, enjoy your witness on the board and try to read every thing you post. I don’t want to hijack this thread and certainly don’t want to turn it into a Catholic/Protestant food fight. Unfortunately, FR has been plagued by way too much of that in the past. As a peace offering I would serve up a link to the entire 1977 “Jesus of Nazareth” mini series on youtube. If you haven’t seen this it is awesome - an A-list cast and a magical production. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruLjkt-5Kao
“on fragments obtained from the shroud.’
when obtained?
from where on the shroud?
or left overs cut from the corner piece previously mentioned?
info you quoted doesn’t really conclude anything with out more specifics. the sentence doesn’t even specify what shroud he tested, just “the shroud” so the reader has to consider they mean the shroud of Turin.
I also appreciate the link, and follow up with one of my own, and under 2 minutes. I think you'll love this: Christ's Resurrection joyously proclaimed in Arabic, in Lebanon:
>>Would that DNA be truly human or would it be divine?<<
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Isn’t DNA associated only with cellular matter? And isn’t matter created? The Divine(uncreated) has no cellular structure as far as I understand.
“burial cloths”
Plural.
Multiple cloths. Strips.
The Shroud of Turin story doesn’t even get the manner Christ was wrapped up correct.
“When Simon Peter arrived after him, he went into the tomb and saw the burial cloths there, and the cloth that had covered his head, not with the burial cloths but rolled up in a separate place.”
It is explicit in describing more than one big cloth with the cloth His head was wrapped in being apart from the other cloths His body was wrapped in.
bttt
Enjoy!
There are 2 cloths. The Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium of Oviedo (face cloth).
One article where both are discussed:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/04/shroud-turin-jesus-christ-blood-relic-sudarium-oviedo/
There is no DIRECT evidence e.g a witness that saw that shroud was wrapped on Jesus’body or one who saw that shroud taken off His body accompanied by evidence from that time about who had the shroud in posession at all times.
But there is evidence e.g. comports with Bible descriptions and all other scientific evidence.
Skepticism is good. Cynicism not.
It is said that the image on the soudarium exactly overlaps the face image on the Shroud. The two images are of the same face.
Pair of slacks....singular.
Well now this is an interesting discussion topic. God came down to earth and became man, truly man. Meaning while he was perfect, he still had same the earthly needs as us, still felt physical and personal pain, with all the organs of a human, and still bled just like any of us. So we have to assume that Jesus' body was identical to ours in all ways, in my view.
That means, on the surface, that Jesus had DNA just as we did, too. He was fully human. There is no Biblical evidence otherwise.
The only things that make me doubt this 100% full man description is that Jesus was sinless and incapable of mistake or fault.
So, and I was only speculating, wouldn't it be cool to think that Jesus did have DNA, but it was of a form that today's science wouldn't recognize, and might be considered perfect? Or, maybe He had no DNA, proving that his life had to be divinely made?
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