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The Strange Story of How Nazi Germany Surrendered (and Then Kept Fighting)
http://nationalinterest.org/ ^ | 3/18/18

Posted on 03/19/2018 3:12:06 PM PDT by BBell

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Anyone else have any stories like these?
1 posted on 03/19/2018 3:12:07 PM PDT by BBell
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Just like the deep state....despite bad news, they keep doing bad things. I know the family of a 4 Star general who was put in charge of the Uropean Theater by Eisenhower as he prepped to go off to the pacific to fight Japan. His job was to mop up everywhere because many true believers wouldn’t buy it that Hitler was dead and vanquished.


2 posted on 03/19/2018 3:18:22 PM PDT by irish guard
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To: BBell

My Father’s combat engineer battalion was sent into Berlin as part of the army of occupation.

He once said there were still occasional incidents between the Russians and Hitler Youth.

I recall some time ago reading that when the war ended, the Germans still occupied Northern Italy.


3 posted on 03/19/2018 3:25:24 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: BBell
When I was a teen, I read Whiting's book The End of the War. It was fascinating. Perhaps that's how my fascination of doomed causes started.
4 posted on 03/19/2018 3:25:44 PM PDT by Lysandru
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Okay, just wondering. If the US was attacked and our government quit, surrendered, do we have the right to continue to fight?


5 posted on 03/19/2018 3:26:22 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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. If the US was attacked and our government quit, surrendered, do we have the right to continue to fight?

Yes. To the bitter end, whatever that may be, if we so choose. Ultimately our government is We the People, not our elected representatives in Washington.

6 posted on 03/19/2018 3:29:11 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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That begs the question then. Would it have been okay for the people of Germany to keep on fighting even though the government capitulated using that same argument?


7 posted on 03/19/2018 3:33:34 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: yarddog

The last US soldier to die by enemy action (Nazi Werewolves ... and no not the supernatural kind!) was in 1947.


8 posted on 03/19/2018 3:38:24 PM PDT by Reily
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To: BBell

The not unsurprising model hiLIARy has used for her attempt to be President.

She lost but keeps fighting anyway.


9 posted on 03/19/2018 3:38:26 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (robert mueller is an unguided missile)
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To: SkyDancer

You don’t see me objecting to their actions on “legal” grounds. Fighting for National Socialism is morally reprehensible regardless of government sanction or lack thereof. But that’s a separate matter.


10 posted on 03/19/2018 3:40:12 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: BBell

My father had an old book from his father called “The Last Wolfpack” which told the story of four U Boats that escaped from a base in Norway to Argentina in late 1945. One of them was lost along the way but the other three made it, got their families ashore, and then took their subs out and scuttled them to hide their escape.

The leader’s name was an officer named Uffelman. I don’t recall if he was a navy officer and I think he wasn’t.

That’s what I remember of the book.


11 posted on 03/19/2018 3:45:24 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism.)
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To: Reily

Daddy said that during the war, they would sometimes hear German soldiers howling like wolves. He said they were pretending to be werewolves.

The Americans knew what they were doing and basically just thought it was interesting.


12 posted on 03/19/2018 3:49:31 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: BBell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM&layout=mobile&client=mv-google&skipcontrinter=1&app=desktop&bpctr=1521405406

“JFK to 911 - Everything is a Rich Man’s Trick” by Francis Conolly.

This is a history of the origins of the deep state from the time of the Robber Barrons in the 1800s and how the deep state developed from there up to the present.

He spends a lot of time deconstructing the JFK murder. The perpetrators seem to be known now, and the means and methods as well, which he explains in detail.

After this deconstruction he shows how the same dynamics are at play in other areas of concern which we have seen paraded before us may instances up to and including 9/11. The clip is about 3.5 hours, and worth every scary minute. He also goes into the way wars are created and manipulated.

Youtube has not outright banned it, but has one of those blue “CAUTION” things on it. “Use at your own risk, etc”

As I got into it, because I was not sure it would remain accessible, I took copious notes. I think every FReeper should consider viewing this because it fills in a LOT of blanks as to how the Robber Barrons continue to rig things and bleed us for their own pleasure and profit.


13 posted on 03/19/2018 3:52:41 PM PDT by TEXOKIE
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Al Gore 2000.

The first (and hopefully last) Presidential candidate to make a concession phone call and then call back later to renege on it.


14 posted on 03/19/2018 3:54:27 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: BBell

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-234

He left out U-234, a German submarine carrying 1200lbs of Uranium to Japan along with an Me-262 jet fighter and a Henschel radio guided bomb.

Surrendered on May 14. The two Japanese officers on board chose suicide instead.


15 posted on 03/19/2018 3:55:36 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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I was aware of certain German units who kept fighting because they didn’t trust surrendering to the Russians and kept working their way to US forces so they could surrender. They ultimately didn’t make, surrendered to the Russians where upon immediately executions happened and the remainder marched off the Russian camps where only 10% ever returned.


16 posted on 03/19/2018 3:56:33 PM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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British engineers at Gravelines, south of Dunkirk had to blow up the bridge on the River As

More like west of Dunkirk. And he's probably thinking of the River L'Aa., not As.

17 posted on 03/19/2018 3:57:11 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: SkyDancer; yarddog; irish guard; MeganC
I think the question would be if would we have the will to keep fighting if we were in the state that Germany was at the end of WWII. Total devastation, all the major cities were rubble and almost every town and village had been damaged to some degree or another. Also the Germans had the Russians occupying their west and they were more scared of the Russians by far than the allies.

My Uncle, who was a forward scout for Patton, told me how they could have easily been in Berlin two weeks before the Russians. His unit was meeting no resistance as they went forward and finally had to stop because they were out of fuel. They bedded down in a German village and lived among them. There were no men or teen boys as they all had been sent forward to try to hold off the Russians until the allies arrived. My uncle's unit help the villagers harvest wheat and they traded with them, their rations for eggs and such. His unit was written off as MIA as they were cut of from communication and it took the U.S. army two weeks to catch up with them. He told me Patton was told to stop but his troops had orders to move forward. They stopped Patton by shutting off his fuel.

My uncle hated Russians and commies until the day he died, much more than he hated the Germans. He actually had respect for the Germans and the Wehrmacht. He hated the Nazis.

Another thing, it was the first time my uncle had used a sickle. He said it took a bit but he got used to it.

18 posted on 03/19/2018 3:57:25 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: rigelkentaurus

Read my post 18.


19 posted on 03/19/2018 3:58:57 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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I’d say we would have the duty to continue to fight. I’d be hoping some of our SSBNs still had a full load.


20 posted on 03/19/2018 4:04:18 PM PDT by GreyHoundSailor
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