Posted on 03/11/2018 3:55:19 PM PDT by Lazamataz
NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY could ever call me a Never Trumper. In fact, I was perhaps one of the very first Trump supporters on this forum.
However, by using his Executive Order to ban bump-stocks as machine guns -- despite the fact that they STILL PULL ONE TRIGGER FOR ONE ROUND BEING FIRED -- he has just done something in an extra-judicial manner.
Despite the clear language of the law that defines automatic weapons -- that one trigger pull discharges multiple rounds continuously -- his EO causes the language to be ignored.
Now, I get that Trump bashed the NRA, then met with them the next day. I get that. That’s chicken feed for the liberals and RINOs.
BUT
Trump banned bump stocks pretty much by Executive Order.
DO YOU REALIZE WHAT THAT MEANS?
It means the first Democrat who gets elected will ban ALL SEMIAUTOS by Executive Order. All they have to do, with this precedent, is show someone firing a semi-auto in a bump-fire method using a pants belt-loop. Voila: It's a full-auto. Therefore, it can be EO'd away.
The right thing to have done was to encourage / demand the House give him a bump stock ban bill. Then get it through the Senate. Then sign it.
But by doing what he just did, he made it possible for Dems to EO firearms away.
The NRA already signaled that they wouldn't object to a bump-fire stock ban after the Las Vegas shooting.
Hopefully the pan is to get the EO overturned in court. Win for Trump by “doing something”, win for the NRA by getting it struck down.
A distinction without a difference. I need a Bill, a legally-drafted and signed Bill. Otherwise, nothing stops the Dems from banning all semis by 'an ATF rule'.
Take a chill pill.
Yeah, the NRA, itself, has said they do not consider bumpstocks to be firearms, at all, and therefore any regulation of them has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment.
Won’t matter.
Nothing Trumps proposes has any impact on what Dems would do.
Agency rules are subject to review and must comply with the underlying statute. Not to worry. You can call a fork a spoon but when the definition is reviewed by a court, its still a fork.
Bump stocks are not worth a review by us or them.
Its not your belt. It is the belt loops on your pants.
Executive orders are not enforceable laws, and they only directly affect government workers. They do not rewrite law.
No offense, you are a friend, however:
"The price of liberty is eternal vigilance" -- John Philpot Curran, 1790.
"Take a chill pill" -- McGruff
Let them try that.
You might want to wait for the first court case to see how that goes.
Recall that most of Obama’s EO’s were adjudicated to be unconstitutional.
I get it, but I do feel he’s not going to be Gd. It really is a nothing burger and he didn’t outlaw any weapons.
The DEMOCRATS, regardless to any precedent, will abuse their power when in office. It's guaranteed in the Constitution.
Word on the street is he is going after 21 and below sales as well. No clear on exact approach, to be put in NCIS bill.
Yes. You are correct.
They only directly affect government workers, such as the FBI or ATF, in who they arrest, or kill while resisting said arrest.
That is an indirect affect to the rest of us.
A conservative SC can overturn it, as they probably should and will.
“Something has to be done”... About the killing, yes. About the guns? Wrong answer. The guns didn’t do it.
“banning bump stocks, and raising age limit are reasonable changes.” Unfortunately they are also useless... and one of them is unconstitutional.
A person who is willing to commit mass murder is not bothered by trivialities (to them) like these. Only the law abiding are deprived of the ability to defend their lives.
The problem is by the time we man up and take a real stand there won’t be any hills left just grave mounds.
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