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Why More Men Than Ever View Marriage as a Bad Deal
PJ Media ^ | 03/09/2018 | John Hawkins

Posted on 03/10/2018 7:18:24 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Over the last few decades, we’ve seen a revolutionary change in the way marriage works in America.

In your great-grandparents’ heyday, relationships were more about raising a family and making a living than love. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t any love involved; it just means the motivations were often a little different than they are today. Women wanted to get out from under the same roof as their parents and have kids. When a woman found a decent man who treated her well and seemed like he could provide for her and her children, that was often enough of a foundation to build a marriage. After all, the country was much poorer then, so her parents couldn’t necessarily support her and she didn’t have a lot of job options. A husband was the best financial option most women had back then.

Today, most women can take care of themselves and those who can’t have the federal government helping them, so they don’t NEED a man to take care of them financially. Combine this with the fact that financial opportunities for uneducated and unskilled men are dramatically reduced from the pre-shipping container/pre-computer age and marriage has been forever changed. That male dockworker can no longer support a family by himself and even if the wealthier, more educated female executive were to marry him (and she probably wouldn’t because he has less status than she does), the marriage would be far less stable because financial need wouldn’t hold them together.

This has a lot to do with why divorce happened much less frequently in the past. Not only was it a little scandalous to get divorced, a woman had a lot more worries about how to pay her bills if she decided to go her own way. That combination of financial need and social stigma held people together. Consider that “the 1967 crude (divorce) rate was 8.7 times as large as that for 1867” and it becomes obvious that marriage was a much more certain bet for previous generations of Americans.

As the need for financial security has fallen away, “love” has become the primary motivator of people who want to marry. The problem with that is that love can be one fickle b*tch.

For most people, that hot, passionate love driven by hormones that makes you crazy for someone else typically doesn’t last forever. Additionally, as people say, “familiarity breeds contempt.” When a woman is on year three of sex with the same person, she just picked his stained underwear off the floor again and what she thought were cute little idiosyncrasies early on have started to get on her nerves, “love” has turned out to be a much less effective cement than financial necessity. That’s very important because almost 70 percent of the time the woman is the one who files for divorce.

Given that we have a justice system that rewards women and punishes men at every opportunity during and after a divorce, it’s no surprise that women are more likely to be the ones ending the marriage. Courts heavily side with women over men when it comes to custody of the children. Chances are if you’re a man in a battle for custody, you’re going to lose and then you’re going to be forced to pay through the nose for the privilege of not getting to spend as much time with your kids as you like. Speaking of which, financially, the courts still act as if we’re in the thirties. Certainly, there could be a situation where a significant alimony payment would be the only fair solution, but that should be a fairly rare occurrence in this day and age.

Imagine a secretary who makes $30,000 a year who marries a CEO making 10 million dollars a year. Five years later, they get divorced. How much does she deserve? Most women would say “half.” At least “half” of what he made while they were together. The honest answer a lot of men would give you would be “nothing.” You know how much she contributed to the man’s success in his career? Nothing of significance. How much is she worth in the working world after the marriage? About the same as she was before, plus she’s had the advantage of having her much richer husband buy her things for years that she’ll take with her. Do you know what he should owe her in that situation after five years of marriage that didn’t work out in the end? Nothing, just like she owes him. Yet and still, in many states, her husband would be expected to keep her living in the “style to which she has become accustomed.” This is exactly the reason that any MAN WHO ALREADY HAS MONEY is crazy if he doesn’t insist on a prenuptial contract before a wedding. Is that romantic? No, but neither is giving a woman who hates your guts half your money. Does it imply you’re not 100 percent sure the marriage will last? Yes, it does, but in a world where divorce is so common, no one can really be sure a marriage will last anymore. You can claim otherwise if you like, but you’re just whistling past the graveyard. I’ve known women who divorced a husband because he lost his job and had trouble finding another one; because she wanted to relive her party years at 35 years old with two kids; because she decided her husband wasn’t manly enough; it goes on and on and on. What I am telling you is that there are no guarantees and your sweet, reasonable honey who loves you to death may decide she wants out of the marriage and turn into a monster once she has a lawyer whispering in her ear during the divorce. Guess what? Usually, the guy never sees it coming.

This can lead to a situation where you’re paying for the lifestyle of a woman who doesn’t want to be with you anymore and is using your kids as a weapon against you while you struggle financially. I know more than one man who has been in this situation. Almost every man does these days. Some people would tell you that’s just the price of marriage. “Hey, if she’s not worth that, then don’t get married.” But how often does the opposite situation happen? How often is a woman stuck paying the bills for her ex-husband while he has the kids after he decided he “just wasn’t in love” anymore? I’ve never heard of a situation like that, although I’m sure it has probably happened. This is an enormous risk that marriage entails for men, but generally not for women.

You also can’t underestimate the impact of having reliable female birth control and women pursuing their careers. Between college and many women trying to climb the career ladder, marriages are occurring later than ever. There was a time in American history when 80% of people were married by 21. That is no longer true.

Barely half of all adults in the United States—a record low—are currently married, and the median age at first marriage has never been higher for brides (26.5 years) and grooms (28.7), according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of U.S. Census data. In 1960, 72% of all adults ages 18 and older were married; today just 51% are. If current trends continue, the share of adults who are currently married will drop to below half within a few years.

The longer you wait to get married, the less of a chance there is that the marriage will produce children. Take the potential of having children out of the equation and marriage is even less appealing to many men. Keep in mind that single women can now easily avoid pregnancy and have become much more promiscuous than they used to be. Does that mean every single guy is getting laid left and right? Not at all, but it does mean that sex is much more available to the average single man than it was 100 years ago. In other words, even if a man never gets married, he doesn’t have to forego sex. In fact, he has the opportunity to have sex with multiple women, an attractive proposition to most men that would be denied to him if he were married. On top of that, he doesn’t have to take on any burdens. He’s not financially responsible for his girlfriend. He doesn’t have to take care of the kid she had with another guy five years ago. There’s no potential for a brutal divorce if things don’t work out. Typically, women are the ones who grew up dreaming of the perfect wedding and the commitment that followed. Most men just grew up dreaming of having sex with beautiful women.

At one time, those two fantasies had to merge. When our society was less promiscuous, the man needed to get married to have regular access to sex. He got what he wanted and she got what she wanted. Is that still true today? The numbers say “No.”

Back in the early 1990s, the average American had sex about 60 to 62 times per year, but that number dropped to less than 53 times per year by 2014. Among married couples specifically, the drop was even more dramatic - from about 73 times per year in 1990 to 55 in 2014. This actually brings the sex lives of married couples below people who've never been married, who have sex about 59 times per year as of 2014. So if you’re a man, getting married may very well mean LESS SEX and with the same woman instead of potentially sleeping with multiple women. It also means risking a soul-ripping divorce where the court system will be stacked against you. Oh, and don’t even mention the old, “Getting married? Wow, I’ll be treated like a king!” fantasy that men had once. Today, you’re more likely to be treated to demands that you do half the weekly housework.

When you look at that sort of thing, it’s easy to understand why some men are simply opposed to marriage. I am not one of those men, but I will tell you the scales have tipped too far against men in marriage. By that, I mean that unless something changes that shifts the institution of marriage back onto more favorable ground for men, marriage will have great difficulty recovering in America. Since marriage is one of the most important building blocks of a successful society, that’s something none of us should want.


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: genderwars; marriage; mgtow; pua; redpill; singles; trends; womanbashing
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To: BJ1

Re-criminalize adultery and get rid of no-fault divorce. That and reducing or eliminating welfare would ensure that marriage once again becomes more like the covenant that it was meant to be.


161 posted on 03/11/2018 1:14:15 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The US Constitution ....... Invented by geniuses and God .... Administered by morons ......)
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To: gaijin

>>the long-term impact on fertility will be absolutely devastating.

That was always the goal. Kill of the West.


162 posted on 03/11/2018 1:18:00 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Wear an orange pin to mourn the victims of the Tide Pods Challenge.)
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To: Adder

In concocting a war on men, so called feminists failed to consider men might just withdraw from the battlefield and leave them nothing.


163 posted on 03/11/2018 1:53:46 AM PST by Flick Lives
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To: Secret Agent Man

I am 67 years old. I got married 36 years ago to the greatest woman alive. I don’t know what I would do without her. If I had my way I would be married to her for 136 years. I am the lucky one. We have 3 of the greatest children. I have been blessed beyond my widest dreams.


164 posted on 03/11/2018 3:03:30 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter (proawakileftist)
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To: umgud

Made me chuckle.....dry


165 posted on 03/11/2018 3:17:06 AM PDT by wardaddy (As a southerner I've never trusted the Grand Old Party.....any questions?)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I hear your pain and agree with much of the dilemma you elucidate

But that 93-96 percent is wrong

First marriages fail around a third

Was up to 40 thirty years ago but has declined

I think mostly cause now mostly only serious folks bother to marry given our immorality pervasiveness


166 posted on 03/11/2018 3:21:15 AM PDT by wardaddy (As a southerner I've never trusted the Grand Old Party.....any questions?)
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To: cherry

When you can’t argue with the facts make personal attacks. Real nice.


167 posted on 03/11/2018 3:35:26 AM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
93-96% of first marriages end in divorce within 10 years.

That's a bogus "statistic".

THe CDC says that 50% of first marriages for women end in divorce after 20 years, and 30% of first marriages for men end in divorce after 10 years.

Not the same at all.

168 posted on 03/11/2018 4:54:13 AM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Big reason: there is a deliberate movement to take jobs from men and give them to women. Take away a man’s job, and you deny his manhood. A man needs to be the strong provider.


169 posted on 03/11/2018 5:06:46 AM PDT by I want the USA back (There are two sexes: male (pronoun HE), and female (pronoun SHE). Denial of this is insanity.)
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To: cazmandeuce
I will be married 30 years this April. This is crap. I guess we are all smarter than the One behind the words in the scriptures....

Why don’t you tell us how to lead a woman that refuses to follow?

170 posted on 03/11/2018 5:08:15 AM PDT by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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To: gaijin
Traditionally..? A failed scam meant some personal rejection and a little embarrassment.

Scam?!

Are you talking about a failed pass?

Regards,

171 posted on 03/11/2018 5:21:41 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: dr_lew
I’m too old to take a stand on this, I guess, but I got married in 1972, at the height of the “hippie days”, and we were a hippie couple for sure. I don’t want to go into detail, as it gets kind of personal, but we got married, stayed married, had kids, had grandkids, and here we are.

So... what's your point? What is it you wish to contribute to the conversation?

Regards,

172 posted on 03/11/2018 5:23:15 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: papertyger

The problem is not having enough kids..think about it...look around you will see couple with three or more kids get divorced less.. this just from observing...I could be wrong..


173 posted on 03/11/2018 5:26:05 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: montag813
Make sure that GOD and THE WORD OF GOD is at the CENTER of you and your wife’s marriage and lives, and you greatly increase the longevity of that marriage.

Pray tell, how do you “make sure” God is at the center of someone else’s life?

174 posted on 03/11/2018 5:31:44 AM PDT by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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To: WMarshal
...she was surprised and hurt when I told her that it was her boyfriend’ an/or her family’s responsibility.

Never be surprised by what a woman thinks she “deserves.”

175 posted on 03/11/2018 5:38:40 AM PDT by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“What I am telling you is that there are no guarantees and your sweet, reasonable honey who loves you to death may decide she wants out of the marriage and turn into a monster once she has a lawyer whispering in her ear during the divorce.”

Awesome posting. Keep in mind, at least with US-born women, it’s not just the lawyer, it’s also her siblings (particularly sisters), her friends, her co-workers, and likely others who she knows. The guy never has a chance.

The first step for men who want their marriage to last is to marry into a culture that VALUES MARRIAGE, which means, sadly, a non-US and non-Western culture. Lots of options out there though...


176 posted on 03/11/2018 5:48:21 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's...I just don't tell anyone)
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To: cherry
we KNOW that American males sperm counts are lower and we KNOW that their testosterone levels are lower and we KNOW that Viagra etc are big time drugs...

And the significance of that is...?

177 posted on 03/11/2018 5:50:31 AM PDT by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“In your great-grandparents’ heyday, relationships were more about raising a family and making a living than love.”

Drivel.

The author may say some good things, but starting with that drivel questions his credibility.

Too many people read something or other about “the way it was”, in former times, think they are stating something that is a verifiable fact, and just believe it; and then repeat it themselves, as if it is a given that everyone understands is true.

It’s nonsense.


178 posted on 03/11/2018 5:52:23 AM PDT by Wuli (qu)
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To: Architect of Avalon

This...I lost my two sons, 400k, half my property, and my kayak to a narcissist wife. Young men-screw marriage even to a non narc wife. Kids are wonderful and our reason to be but the wife and courts hold them as implements of extortion......


179 posted on 03/11/2018 5:53:52 AM PDT by TnTnTn
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To: SeekAndFind
The writer doesn't mention the fact that this generation of women is poisoned and twisted with feminist ideology. They are loudmouthed shrews with weaponized vaginas.

Hell, you look at that reason alone and begin to understand why more of this generation of men are turning to dolls to satisfy their sexual desires. Dolls won't sue you, ruin you, manipulate you, or stalk you.

I am so blessed to be married to a godly woman of noble character. This generation is lost.

180 posted on 03/11/2018 5:54:33 AM PDT by 60Gunner (The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. - Plato)
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